Every day on the radio here they have an "On This Day Segment" today's included death of Martha "Thought to be JtR's first victim".
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostYeah, I got that.
Out of interest, what is your stance on Tabram?G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostBut probably not.I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.
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Originally posted by GUT View PostProbably about 50:50, what day is it, Oh yeah Friday so he done it, if it was Thursday No way.
Originally posted by Bridewell View PostPossibly not. If it wasn't for MacNaghten's 'definite' claim of 5 victims and 5 victims only I suspect that much more credence would be given to the possibility that Tabram was killed by the same man as Nichols and Chapman.
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Originally posted by Bridewell View PostPossibly not. If it wasn't for MacNaghten's 'definite' claim of 5 victims and 5 victims only I suspect that much more credence would be given to the possibility that Tabram was killed by the same man as Nichols and Chapman.
All the best,
Fisherman
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Tabram's murder seems too frenzied and has none of Jack's usual signatures. Obviously the counter-argument is that Tabram was a 'trial run' of sorts before the killer could refine his technique. Would the murderer really make such a radical change in MO from one victim to the next? I prefer to place her in the Emma Smith category as a gang hit rather than a Ripper victim.
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I agree. All of the others were by severance of the great vessels of the neck implying at least a reasonable knowledge of anatomy. There was no attempt at that in Tabram's case and the weapons used were different. Apart possibly from the last one, when I believe there was a personal motive, there was no uncontrolled frenzy displayed as there was in the Tabram case. I believe that JTR may have got the idea from the Tabram case but he was not the perpetrator.
Prosector
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Too many similarities with the other murders. Difference can be attributed to the fact that Serial killers are known to refine there technique, which may appear as a different MO, but only really just a stage in their progression.
And again if it weren't for mcnaughten it would be the c6 which I also think it should be."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Hey Abby,
Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostToo many similarities with the other murders.
Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostDifference can be attributed to the fact that Serial killers are known to refine there technique which may appear as a different MO, but only really just a stage in their progression.
Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostAnd again if it weren't for mcnaughten it would be the c6 which I also think it should be.
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostHey Abby,
How many is too many?
Not sure you can call using a completely different MO as 'refining' one's technique. Tabram's killer was a wild stabber who went into overkill. No throat slashing, no slicing, no attempt to eviscerate the victim, nothing in his actions to link them with the other murders.
Needless to say, Ripperology is such a highly contentious field that even if we did have an 'Anderson Five' instead of a McNaughton, nothing would be set in stone.
How many is too many? Let's see:
Prostitute targeted
Killed with knife
Signs of strangulation
Same immediate area
Same time of night
Same immediate timeframe
On holiday or weekend
Silent kill
Overkill
Unsolved
Private area targeted
Victim on back, legs slightly apart
Skirt hiked up (this is the clincher)
Also fits the pattern sequence-victim killed beginning of month, then the next at end of month, then the next at beginning of month etc.
Most if not all serial killers don't start with a fully formed MO. Nor do they necessarily stick with the same one. The ripper probably started off with a few tentative attacks on women with a knife -perhaps Ada Wilson and Annie Millwood, and achieved his first successful kill with Martha. He knew he wanted to stab and kill women and use his knife. He was just unsure about how to go about it or how far he wanted to go-but learned about both as he went along."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Every serial killer has to start somewhere...in reality, in many cases in adolescence with animals, and develop from there...but not necessarily...
But that first stab (sorry!) at killing a real human being...who knows...the technique may be lacking...the eventual desires may be undeveloped (repetition itself might stimulate for example)...or a serial killer, even one with great intelligence and advanced ideas might easily make a false start and be bright enough to start again with a fresh slate...
But even without a huge false start, and even with constant desires, he might hone his technique as he went along...we all do this with repetitive tasks so it's nothing more than human nature after all...
All the best
Dave
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