Ripper Victim?

[DYLAN]

Hey Shelley.

With regard to knowledge of the Ripper case, and serial crime as a whole, you're not in Ben's league.

Why don't you pack it in, and stop making up fairy-tales as you go along.

Regretfully yours.

DYLAN

[Shelley]

Hey Shelley.

With regard to knowledge of the Ripper case, and serial crime as a whole, you're not in Ben's league.

Why don't you pack it in, and stop making up fairy-tales as you go along.

Regretfully yours.

DYLAN

Dylan,
Before you going casting aspersions, i reckon i have a qualification that Ben doesn't have.........Also Keppel, mentions that the JTR killer started harvesting organs at Chapman & Kelly.......Keppel completely misses the fact that Eddowes before Kelly's murder was that her womb and part of her kidney was taken........Ha ha ha.....This is so called professionalism sizing in on the case of JTR, that's one hell of a mistake for a so called expert to make!.
So both yourself and your freind ........CHECK YOUR STUFF PROPERLY. Also check this thread for the posts of those who also would come into your so called realms of story telling, like Sam or Glenn for instance. Sam has also run down Keppel on these boards and i can positvely see why! Ha ha ha.


Ha ha ha ha .........Hee hee

[Ben]

Before you going casting aspersions, i reckon i have a qualification that Ben doesn't have

One that left you with the impression that Arthur Shawcross wasn't a serial killer, and that Chikatilo never killed adults, obviously...

But who to go with? Exeprt in the field of criminology or "Shelley" from the message boards?

I'm racking my brains.

Sorry about this, Dylan.

[DYLAN]

Hey Shelley.

What's all this nonsense - Ha Ha Ha! - He He He! ??

I can recommend a good Psychiatrist if you're interested.

Don't bring Glenn and Sam into this. If you want to sound silly, do it by yourself.

DYLAN.

[Shelley]

Keppel wrote a book and named from Chapman to Kelly harvesting organs.......Completley misses the fact that Different organs between Eddowes to Kelly, has significance in signatures ( 2 cases of the JTR killings womb was taken), also puts Kelly who didn't have her womb taken into that barrel, but also mentions that there is consitency in MO & Signatures.......Ha ha That one both you Dylan & your friend misses! Gosh do i have to spell it out for you both each and every time........No neither of you are in the same league,as you can't read the bodies, and consistentley use Keppel and his mistakes as gospel.........

Ha ha ha

Hee hee

[Shelley]

Hey Shelley.

What's all this nonsense - Ha Ha Ha! - He He He! ??

I can recommend a good Psychiatrist if you're interested.

Don't bring Glenn and Sam into this. If you want to sound silly, do it by yourself.

DYLAN.

Dylan take your friend and your silly novel crime busting books , along with your silly aspersions which are pathetic to say the least,and go to the toilet.....Take your friend with you........Aww, what a shame

Oh, by the way i can't be bothered to reply to you again Dylan, if you don't know at least a portion of why a killer will take certain organs that relate to signatures and the killers mind, that's not my problem. Dylan...You don't by an chance have a friend called Zebedee?

[perrymason]

Productivity Announcement

As a return visitor with no interest in entering back into this particular thread.....EVERYONE CHILL for a moment.

This is imploding...no-one is now posting about the threads premise specifically....and decent people on both sides of this fence are not coming across well...or informatively.

Puppies....ducklings.....summer days....pay raises....births....romances...a really good bottle of Cabernet...

OK...now that you have some happy thoughts...and a breather.....try it again.

Best regards all.

[Ben]

Hmmm...

Can't decide if I can be bothered to continue mocking the patently afflicated.

It's fun, but I really shouldn't.

[perrymason]

Hmmm...

Can't decide if I can be bothered to continue mocking the patently afflicated.

It's fun, but I really shouldn't.

Ben..................time to re-enter your previous, more valued and gentlemanly self. Everyone should actually...both genders alike.

My best regards mate.

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate,
In the list of possessions as to what they are wearing, Tabram does not have a listing of Corset or bodice ( Bodice=corset), in MO & Signature it only refers in the area of clothing, if items were left or removed.
Keppel who some refer to as an expert and included Tabram, made a mistake in only briefing an outline of the JTR victims, heck he even includes Kelly, Tabram was removed by other experts in the field long ago as a possible ripper victim, many experts are against Keppel in his brief outline & mistake in including Tabram as a ripper victim. Also Eddowes had with her everything she owned and she had more layers of clothing than Tabram. By the time Nicholls was murdered, the killer had already developed a know how of not removing her clothing, but still able to mutilate by cutting. It isn't i that is missing the point here. Also this is why Tabram is not in the canocial 5 and hasn't been for many years. Also no throat-cutting on Tabram.

There is no such thing as the cannon. It is a modern invention. You mean the McNaughten 5...

And Swanson says Tabram's throat was cut suggesting information was held back from the press. A bodice would have been integral to the design of the dress. Most experts as far as I'm aware include Tabram as did Swanson.

Pirate

PS Michael...thats unfair loads of Ducks

[DYLAN]

Hi Michael.

I take your point, but have you read some of that nonsensical stuff ??

I've got a two-year old Grandson who talks more adult than Shelley.

Just for the record, I'll say that I don't intend to continue any further with this nonsense.

Does that make you happy ??

All the best.

DYLAN

[Fisherman]

Shelley writes:

"Sorry i have to correct you there, stabbing and punctured lungs will cause death, not neccessarily the heart"

Thanks for that, Shelley - but what I was referring to was Killeens assertion that Tabram lived throughout the stabbing ordeal (and that will have included the stabs to the lungs). certainly, the amassed number of stabs would have killed her, but the point of the matter is that she never got around to dying before the heart stab, it would seem. Killeen interestingly gives the reason of death as "loss of blood", but he also says that the heart-stab alone would be enough to cause death.

The best, Shelley!
Fisherman

[Shelley]

Ben..................time to re-enter your previous, more valued and gentlemanly self. Everyone should actually...both genders alike.

My best regards mate.

Hi Perrymason,

I refuse to speak with a poster that posts insulting names at me, he has tried to goad me on these boards, he runs away off the topic of the east-end killings of 1888 and brings in other serial killers that have nothing to do with even the year 1888 ( to my mind he does this as a reason so off topic as to confuse, as not everyone recalls every detail of other murders), also Arthur Shawcross what he claimed as in his victims bag, as not been proven even though his fantasies were evident with Dr Stone, therefore he was just classed a killer, not a serial killer. Now Arthur Shawcross has nothing to do with this Tabram thread. The poster who i refuse to speak with seems to bring others into his arguments in his failed attempt at goading me.
I cannot be bothered with anyone, who insists on behaving this way. I am also pleased that Dylan is put off from his antics in collaboration with Ben.
Which is another thing, i can recall Sam was always quick to mention in posts to me to not run off Topic whilst i spoke of Eddowes in posts on these threads....However, Ben gallops around mentioning left right and centre other killers that have nothing to do with this thread, he is not pulled up once about going off thread by Sam or anyone else, but only once myself. At least Eddowes is in the JTR realms, not Shawcross.
Also i find quite amusing the choices of words that both Dylan & Ben uses. I believe i have never entered the realms of direct insults or name calling insults, therefore i conclude them both in the band of ' Hypocrites'.
Some content in my posts are deliberatley to divert posters from discussing Martha on this thread with me, i suppose, that they didn't quite read it.

Regards
Shelley

[Chava]

Moving along...

Interesting that Tabram's throat was cut. If that's the case, then there's your 'other knife' in the attack. Since a knife that stabs isn't a knife that will also cut very easily...

[Shelley]

Shelley writes:

"Sorry i have to correct you there, stabbing and punctured lungs will cause death, not neccessarily the heart"

Thanks for that, Shelley - but what I was referring to was Killeens assertion that Tabram lived throughout the stabbing ordeal (and that will have included the stabs to the lungs). certainly, the amassed number of stabs would have killed her, but the point of the matter is that she never got around to dying before the heart stab, it would seem. Killeen interestingly gives the reason of death as "loss of blood", but he also says that the heart-stab alone would be enough to cause death.

The best, Shelley!
Fisherman

Ah, yes that i would assume myself as well given the pool of blood, also punctured lungs even though they can kill, it takes a while for the person to die, a stab to the heart would ensure a quicker death on top of all the other wounds. I would guess that the killer wouldn't have known about the lungs punctured to cause death. Still, i am assuming that the killer wouldn't have known. One thing we can be sure about, Tabrams heart wasn't stabbed first.

Cheers
Fisherman.

Regards
Shelley