theory for why Elizabeth Jackson should more closely considered

[The Rookie Detective]

Offhand as it's been a long time since I researched all this. - the underwear marked L E Fisher was bought at a used clothing sale by Elizabeth and Faircloth, her partner. They had been thrown out as 'rags' rather than wearable items. They were traced to Byker I seem to recall, the father of the person who once owned them had marked his daughter's name on the waistband and recognised his own handwriting.

Thank you for confirming that Debra. You have saved me a considerable amount of time as I had started down a road that was incorrect.

I discovered a young woman called "Lizzie Ellen Fisher" who was a servant in the same area at the same time that Elizabeth Jackson was also a servant, and so had assumed that the L E Fisher was from a fellow servant who had given her the clothing. I can now discard that line of inquiry.

Many thanks

RD

[Debra A]

May I ask where and how the name of L E FISHER was traced to a woman called Laura Fisher?

Has that been proven?


RD

Offhand as it's been a long time since I researched all this. - the underwear marked L E Fisher was bought at a used clothing sale by Elizabeth and Faircloth, her partner. They had been thrown out as 'rags' rather than wearable items. They were traced to Byker I seem to recall, the father of the person who once owned them had marked his daughter's name on the waistband and recognised his own handwriting.

[The Rookie Detective]

Oops, that might have been me, accidentally spreading misinformation. I posted once about that link but had misremembered the name written in the drawers; it was actually L E Fisher, not Lizzie Fisher, and was traced to a Laura Fisher. Sorry about that.

May I ask where and how the name of L E FISHER was traced to a woman called Laura Fisher?

Has that been proven?


RD

[John Wheat]

That didnīt come out very clear. For your information, I DO accept the other torso cases as being the probable work of the same killer that was called the Ripper.

The reason that Jackson is spoken about is that she is very close to Chapman and Kelly in terms of the mutilation and evisceration carried out. Plus we know she prostituted herself, as did the Ripper victims.

I'm aware you accept the other torso victims as being of the same hand. Jackson is spoken about as a possible Ripper victim as she was killed relatively shortly after the Canon's. I don't see that many similarities between Jackson and Kelly and Chapman and nor do many others.

[Fisherman]

To accept Liz Jackson as a Ripper victim you also have to accept all the other Torso murders including those of 1873, 1874 and 1884 as Ripper victims as the MO's are much closer to Liz Jackson's murder than any of the Ripper murders.

That didnīt come out very clear. For your information, I DO accept the other torso cases as being the probable work of the same killer that was called the Ripper.

The reason that Jackson is spoken about is that she is very close to Chapman and Kelly in terms of the mutilation and evisceration carried out. Plus we know she prostituted herself, as did the Ripper victims.

[John Wheat]

To accept Liz Jackson as a Ripper victim you also have to accept all the other Torso murders including those of 1873, 1874 and 1884 as Ripper victims as the MO's are much closer to Liz Jackson's murder than any of the Ripper murders.

[c.d.]

"No worries, Dave. I'm more offended by being called Ma'am to be honest."

That made me laugh. I feel the same way when some young'un calls me Sir. Especially if it is coming from an attractive young woman.

c.d.

[Joshua Rogan]

I remember reading something about a Lizzie Fisher and drawers - a newspaper mistakenly called Mary Kelly, Fisher.

Oops, that might have been me, accidentally spreading misinformation. I posted once about that link but had misremembered the name written in the drawers; it was actually L E Fisher, not Lizzie Fisher, and was traced to a Laura Fisher. Sorry about that.

[Sam Flynn]

Bundy obsessed about women with long dark hair.

Actually, that's been contested of late, but I take your point.

These women are so similar they could be sisters.

Sadly, we don't know that, as we've no photographs of either woman in life, and we only have sketchy descriptions. What we do know is that Kelly was based in the East End and Jackson was based in the West, and they can't have been the only examples of tall, fair women in London, which was one of, if not the most heavily-populated city in the world at the time.

Besides, most of the Whitechapel Murder victims were neither tall, young nor fair, so there's not much of a pattern to go on.

[Callmebill]

Elizabeth Jackson, just Jack's type.

Mary Kelly was extraordinarily tall (5 ft 7 in) for the period. Men’s average height, at the outbreak of WW1, was 5 ft 6 in. She had reddish blonde hair, a fair complexion, and blue eyes. She was twenty-five years of age (approximately).
Elizabeth Jackson was tall. She stood 5 ft 5 in. She had sandy-blonde hair and a fair complexion. More than likely she had blue eyes. She was twenty-five years of age. Six months after the slaughter of Mary Kelly in her room at 13 Millers Court -November 1888, Elizabeth Jackson was murdered -early June 1889.
I think both women had an Irish connection.
Serial killers prey on types - Bundy obsessed about women with long dark hair. These women are so similar they could be sisters ..
I remember reading something about a Lizzie Fisher and drawers - a newspaper mistakenly called Mary Kelly, Fisher.

[Uncle Jack]

I have always privately refered to our torso man as Jack the Hacker or Jack the Cutter. I never liked the Thames Torso murderer or Embankment Killer. Lol

[Rob Clack]

Get back in the box Clack, who let you out?

Seriously folks, Debs and I have Rob on a timeshare basis. He is a lot cheaper tgat way.

Monty


PS Rob, Ive some images to mail to you, send em later mate.

You can get me on duty free as well.

Cheers, look forward to them.

Rob

[Monty]

Get back in the box Clack, who let you out?

Seriously folks, Debs and I have Rob on a timeshare basis. He is a lot cheaper tgat way.

Monty


PS Rob, Ive some images to mail to you, send em later mate.

[Rob Clack]

Rob, I just found the other name in the papers it was the 'West-end dissector'- mentioned in the Chronicle.

No worries, Dave. I'm more offended by being called Ma'am to be honest.

Neil, thanks for that. ... I knew Rob was moonlighting somewhere.

Thanks Debs, still not a catchy title

and Neil made me

Rob

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Debs,
Well these articles will certainly be fascinating.I cant wait to read them---and ofcourse Debs---you are one of our star researchers ---way up there with the very best of them!
Btw I have recently come to the conclusion that the serial killer referred to as "Jack" may actually have been a multiple killer at the cutting edge of "multi-tasking" and dispensing with the old MO..........
Cheers ,
Norma