Was Mackenzie a copycat?

[DVV]

And if you wanted to make Kelly look like a Ripper murder, wouldn't you kill her on the street where the Ripper murders took place, not in a bed in a private room where they didn't.

Indeed, Colin.
And you would take away her "private parts".

Cheers

[DVV]

It' a bit more than a wish, I'm afraid.
Whoever killed MJK is more likely to be the ripper than anything else.

[Phil H]

Greater time pressure than at Hanbury, after sunrise, with a house full of people?

Perhaps an indication that the murder took place earlier - at around the same time in the morning that Nichols was killed, when it was still quite dark. Less risk, and the medical evidence is not incompatible with such an interpretation.

The murder of MJK is at the same time a domestic case and the ripper work.

If you wish to believe that, DVV - it is th reverse of what I wrote.

Phil

[DVV]

The murder of MJK is at the same time a domestic case and the ripper work.
In the same vein, we can say Mrs Kemper is a victim of the co-ed killer.

[Phil H]

Maybe you would.

If Kelly were shown to have been killed by Flemming or Barnett, it would be shown she was not the Ripper's work - yet many still assume without much thought that she is.

I just went back to first principles and came up with a different train of thought to others.

Just maybe, Kelly's murderer killed her where he ddi, had no option to move the body, so did his best with what he had... who knows.

If you don't agree with my analysis, fine. Just let it be. It won't bite you.

Phil

[Bridewell]

This possiblility being, of course, more likely than the Ripper taking his time.

And if you wanted to make Kelly look like a Ripper murder, wouldn't you kill her on the street where the Ripper murders took place, not in a bed in a private room where they didn't.

[lynn cates]

time pressure

Hello Colin.

"And her killer was working under greater time pressure than he had been on previous occasions perhaps?"

Greater time pressure than at Hanbury, after sunrise, with a house full of people?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

The reason Eddowes had her clothes cut through was because she was wearing more layers of clothes. She also had a number of items tied around her waist.

And her killer was working under greater time pressure than he had been on previous occasions perhaps?

[lynn cates]

One is the loneliest number.

Hello David. Thanks.

""One" must refer to the number."

Of what?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

However, in the case of kelly, I perceive a possibility that someone having read about the earlier murders, attempted to reproduce one and went too far.
Phil

This possiblility being, of course, more likely than the Ripper taking his time.

[DVV]

Hello David.

"Where does it lead, seriously?"

The truth, one hopes.

Cheers.
LC

"One" must refer to the number.

Cheers

[Phil H]

I fail to see how Eddowes of Kelly can be in any sense a "copycat." Both of them were far more gruesome than any previous murder, and that's not so much a copy, as one-upmanship.

It was Stride I meant, not Eddowes, and a slit throat is the hallmark of no one.

However, in the case of kelly, I perceive a possibility that someone having read about the earlier murders, attempted to reproduce one and went too far. The chief characteristic of the crimes in the press was their horror - the murderer was probably not trying to outdo himself - he was doing what felt natural - someone seeking to emulate his style might easily over do it. Just my thought.

With Mckenzie the opposite is true - someone not the Ripper would have over done the mutilation. Only "Jack" could "under do it" (for whatever reason).

For what it's worthy, my belief is that the "truth" or a solution (of sorts) in this case is likely to come from work along the lines of the recent post on the Levy's etc of Mitre Street.

Phil

[lynn cates]

truth

Hello David.

"Where does it lead, seriously?"

The truth, one hopes.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

One step forward, three steps backward

Thanks DVV - I meant STRIDE of course, not Eddowes.

Ok. I change my headline.

Domestic ripperish murder without abdominal mutilation in Berner Street, then.

It's well and good to mock a certain type of ripperology (crazy midwife, royal theory, etc), but the current deconstruction is equally grotesque - and lacks charm.
Where does it lead, seriously ?
To the Berner Street conspiration, as in Lynn's recent post ?
To that poor Michael Kidney ?

Think of it : if Stride and MJK aren't ripper-victims, Bacon has to be Shakespeare.

[lynn cates]

copious copies

Hello Rivkah. Thanks for that on the Boston Strangler.

May I make copies? It is grist for my mill.

Cheers.
LC