Was Mackenzie a copycat?

[lynn cates]

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Hello Greg. Good idea for a thread.

At one time, it was just dogma that these were copycat killings.

Why should one copy? The answer is so obvious as not to require an explanation.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Feeble rip...

My view, for what it is worth, is that mckenzie may well have been a Ripper victim - killed by the same hand that murdered at least Nichols and Chapman and maybe Eddowes.

The circumstances of the killing remind me a lot of Nichols in Bucks Row. Whomever was responsible appears to have had difficulty with Alice's stays and thus could not mutilate as he wished/tried to do.

It is possible that "Jack" (if it was indeed he) was weakened or enfeebled and thus had less strength than earlier.

I find a copy-cat killing less plausible because it is so weak.

I think MJK for instance, could have been an attempt to replicate what the killer had READ about the murder of eddowes and how he IMAGINED it to be.

But Mckenzie's death seems a pale replica of Nichols, too close to be by someone who had not seen the Bucks Row corpse.

But that's just my musing.

Phil

Thanks Phil, that's good musings...I can't disagree with anything...

If Mackenzie was a ripper victim then several favorite suspects go out the window...

Maybe a copycat, maybe an attempt by the original killer to return to his old hobby, only to realize that his heart was no longer in it, resulting in a half-assed effort.

Not sure I buy this one Dasmarte, he obviously had enough heart to murder again, these guys rarely lose the desire...

I more like Phil's idea that he's getting older and weaker or as I believe Lynn Cates once said, "I can't rip em like I used to"...


Greg

[Damaso Marte]

Maybe a copycat, maybe an attempt by the original killer to return to his old hobby, only to realize that his heart was no longer in it, resulting in a half-assed effort.

[Phil H]

My view, for what it is worth, is that mckenzie may well have been a Ripper victim - killed by the same hand that murdered at least Nichols and Chapman and maybe Eddowes.

The circumstances of the killing remind me a lot of Nichols in Bucks Row. Whomever was responsible appears to have had difficulty with Alice's stays and thus could not mutilate as he wished/tried to do.

It is possible that "Jack" (if it was indeed he) was weakened or enfeebled and thus had less strength than earlier.

I find a copy-cat killing less plausible because it is so weak.

I think MJK for instance, could have been an attempt to replicate what the killer had READ about the murder of eddowes and how he IMAGINED it to be.

But Mckenzie's death seems a pale replica of Nichols, too close to be by someone who had not seen the Bucks Row corpse.

But that's just my musing.

Phil

[GregBaron]

Hi all,

Methinks Mackenzie and Coles, especially, get short shrift from the
ripper community.

I think, intuitively, that one of these outlier cases might yield a clue
that cracks the whole case wide open. Ok, I know, unlikely, but a nice
thought..

Anyway, I think the motivation for at least C's 1-3 was sexual deviance.
The killer was a pervert or paraphilic of some sort and got pleasure out of
his foul deeds. Stay with me here.

But if Mackenzie was killed by another, two questions come to mind.
Why attempt a copycat? and What is the motivation?

I could go into a long soliloquy about what I'm getting at here but
I think you people are smart enough to get the ball rolling..

Any thoughts?


Greg