the last one

[pinkmoon]

Hi Pinkmoon,

A pimp would have a key wouldn't he?

Amanda

Oh most certainly and so would a landlord.xxx

[Wickerman]

Hi Wickerman,

Yes, this is an excellent account of the Yorkshire Ripper murders. Although Sutcliffe generally targeted street prostitutes, who he claimed to have a hatred of, his later victims were non-prostitutes attacked well away from red light districts. In fact, one of his earlier victims was a 14 year-old schoolgirl who be attacked in a rural area down a remote country last lane (she survived). Incredibly he was also identified by a male taxi driver who claimed Sutcliffe assaulted him with a hammer as early as 1967.

Hi John G.
Yes, and perhaps somerset might be interested in the murder of Patricia Atkinson, whom Sutcliffe met on the street. Atkinson took him back to her flat where he murdered her, indoors (parallel with MJK?).

At the time of the Yorkshire Ripper murders I was living in Yeadon, a small place between Leeds & Bradford - yes I remember those days well.

[miss marple]

No money in it for a pimp, he'd have starved to death if he was depending on MK, she was scarcely hard working, and seemed to drink what she made, it did nt go on rent.. She had a very narrow window after Joe left to make money as a whore and was murdered a few days later.


Miss Marple

[Harry D]

What about the locked door?

He'd reach through the window and unlock it himself?

As for the OP, you have to bear in mind that this wasn't exactly the Red Light District. Whitechapel was his stomping ground, and most of the prostitutes operating there would've been middle aged down-and-outs who sold their bodies to pay for their next drink or doss. I have a theory that there's a correlation between the facial mutilations and the attractiveness of his victim. Nichols & Chapman were viewed as little more than 'donors', he was only interested in disemboweling them. When he got around to Eddowes & Kelly, however, mutilating their bodies wasn't enough to dehumanize them. He had to violently ruin their faces as well, with Kelly bearing the worst of it.

[Bridewell]

No money in it for a pimp, he'd have starved to death if he was depending on MK, she was scarcely hard working, and seemed to drink what she made, it did nt go on rent.

Miss Marple

If it didn't go on rent (we know she was in arrears) how can we be sure that she wasn't being pimped? She may have spent all her money on booze - but some of it may have gone elsewhere.

[pinkmoon]

Kelly became a victim purely because of the lack of streetwalkers he stepped out of his comfort zone when he chose Kelly but the extra time did allow him to satisfy ever whim in his perverted mind .

[The Good Michael]

I suppose I'm being a little particular here, folks - the whole thing just has a hauntingly different feel to me. Chapman and Eddowes had both been disembowelled as well, yet MJ's scene was worse to a disturbing degree. She was also killed quite a while after the others . . . I would not be very surprised if she was shown beyond reasonable doubt to be a victim of Jack's, so I'm always open to argument for this . . .

Does anyone think perhaps MJ's death was planned more hastily?

That's right. It is just a feeling. Nothing to me says anything different than what time, opportunity, and light would allow.

Mike

[GUT]

Kelly became a victim purely because of the lack of streetwalkers he stepped out of his comfort zone when he chose Kelly but the extra time did allow him to satisfy ever whim in his perverted mind .

I think many overlook that.

Street girls were being cautious and he got an opportunity to run wild(er).

[pinkmoon]

I think many overlook that.

Street girls were being cautious and he got an opportunity to run wild(er).

Supply and demand with a shortage of prostitutes Kelly would have been able to command a higher price so what does this tell us about her killer.

[c.d.]

Hello Pinkmoon,

If you are suggesting that her killer was well off, I don't think that conclusion naturally follows. If the killing was planned, he could have simply offered any amount knowing that he could take it all back when done.

c.d.

[pinkmoon]

Hello Pinkmoon,

If you are suggesting that her killer was well off, I don't think that conclusion naturally follows. If the killing was planned, he could have simply offered any amount knowing that he could take it all back when done.

c.d.

He would still need to have the money in the first place also he must have appeared quite normal.

[GUT]

Supply and demand with a shortage of prostitutes Kelly would have been able to command a higher price so what does this tell us about her killer.

At most that he could convince her he had the money.

And after all probably talking less than a shilling.

[GUT]

At most that he could convince her he had the money.

And after all probably talking less than a shilling.

More likely about 6d

[pinkmoon]

At most that he could convince her he had the money.

And after all probably talking less than a shilling.

I think he would have had to give the money over before he entered her room.

[Rosella]

If he'd been paid his weekly wage the day before, sixpence wouldn't have been a problem. Mary would probably just wanted to get back to her room and out of the cold and intermittent rain.