Was Mary Kelly a Ripper victim?

[Karl]

The truth is no one has a clue who Jack was, his motive, or his demise.
I have stuck with Casebook for many years, and covered many angles, thoroughly enjoyed it, and hope we all persevere.
Regards Richard.

That's the healthiest spirit with which to approach these discussions. We should all strive to be as tolerant.

[richardnunweek]

Hi .
For the record I am not suggesting that Mary Kelly was definitely targeted, only speculating , using hearsay, mixed with what is known.
There is a lot of coincidences, that suggest she may have been sought after far too many to go into here,
The truth is no one has a clue who Jack was, his motive, or his demise.
I have stuck with Casebook for many years, and covered many angles, thoroughly enjoyed it, and hope we all persevere.
Regards Richard.

[Abby Normal]

Not sure if it's elsewhere too, but the height of 5'7" was given in the Thanet Advertiser 17 Nov, possibly provided by Mrs Carthy?

"The unfortunate victim is described as being a woman about 25 years of age, 5ft 7in in height, rather stout, with blue eyes, fair complexion, and a very good head of hair."

Mrs Maxwell also calls her "somewhat stout", but Mrs Prater and an un-named source say she was "tall and slim"

Maxwell probably never saw her-she had someone else who she mistook for mary

Prater lived above mary, knew her well, saw the body in the room, spoke to her a lot. went to her funeral.
added to that the other descriptions of her as attractive and the photos which show not a stout or plump woman.


id go with prater.


forget about Maxwell-just another worthless "witness" that does nothing but muddy the water.

[Karl]

Height and age did not matter.Nov 8-9 was the first time since October
they did not have patrols,Dorset St in particular,because of the Mayor's show.She was "available".Mary was killed lying down, Phillips:"cause of death, was inflicted while the deceased was lying at the right side of the bedstead and her head and neck in the top right-hand corner. "
Harvey left,Kelly was alone Nov. 7-8 at night.

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Here's the thing about availability, though: there were lots of other available prostitutes in the area, as well. Women who more closely matched the previous victims would not be in short supply. Another thing to note is that Mary seems to have undressed herself and neatly folded her clothes. In no other case did the killer wait for the victim to undress, nor did he even seem sexually interested in them at all. On the contrary, he seems to have wanted to kill them at the very first opportunity, and only then gone to work. He was more interested in seeing their insides than their nude forms. If the same killer killed MJK, why not attack her while she was undressing? Taking her boots off, for example. But all the while Mary undressed, she either trusted the man enough to have her back turned - which she wouldn't if he were a stranger. Or she was facing him the whole time, in which she would have plenty of time to regard the face of the man who was soon to kill her. Either way, it just doesn't fit with the same mentality of the man who sex-lessly murdered the other women.

[Joshua Rogan]

Good point, Karl. I don't know off the top of my head what the source (if any) of that nugget of info is; perhaps someone will enlighten us.

Not sure if it's elsewhere too, but the height of 5'7" was given in the Thanet Advertiser 17 Nov, possibly provided by Mrs Carthy?

"The unfortunate victim is described as being a woman about 25 years of age, 5ft 7in in height, rather stout, with blue eyes, fair complexion, and a very good head of hair."

Mrs Maxwell also calls her "somewhat stout", but Mrs Prater and an un-named source say she was "tall and slim"