The missing key?

[Natasha]

With The amount of police hanging around outside one would have thought that somebody would have noticed the broken pane and reached in to open the door. I doubt it was possible, the broken pane was too high up. However I don't think Barnett was our man. He may well have had the key but he would have been the number one suspect at that time. Maybe he felt it was easier to say it was missing than to be accused of an extremely violent murder. Whatever his reasons, I believe he lied about the key.

I think he did lie about the key. He was described as violent I'm sure I read on here, but I'm not 100% on him being the ripper. He could have been perceived as the murderer because most crimes are committed by people who are close to their victims.

There is something not right about him, I just can't think what it is.

The killer obviously had mental problems, the victims were defeminised which suggests that the killer was attacking the victims in relation to them being women.

[lynn cates]

space

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

Wonder if there were much space under the bed?

If her assailant were known to her, there would be little need to keep watch.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

point

Hello Harry. What would be the point of such a lie?

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

Wonder if there were much space under the bed?

If her assailant were known to her, there would be little need to keep watch.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

Not sure about the space under the bed, but then again we don't know what size/build the perpetrator was.

I have said before that I think the killer was known to the victim, I just wanted to take a look at a different scenario.

[Harry D]

Hello Harry. What would be the point of such a lie?

Cheers.
LC

Barnett could've concocted the missing key story in a clumsy attempt to vindicate himself. After all, if the door did require the key for access then the finger of suspicion would point towards the man most likely to be in possession of it. If it was a simple case of doing the window trick, why did the police choose to break the door down? Why wasn't McCarthy the landlord aware of this trick?

[lynn cates]

excellent

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

I have said before that I think the killer was known to the victim, I just wanted to take a look at a different scenario.''

Excellent idea.

Cheers.
LC

[MrBarnett]

Presumably, the possibility of opening the door through the broken window pane was something the police could easily check out.

[lynn cates]

entrance

Hello Harry. Thanks.

Very well. I see what you mean. But did he not compromise such vindication when he told how to gain entrance?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

did

Hello Mr. B. And DID.

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

I have said before that I think the killer was known to the victim, I just wanted to take a look at a different scenario.''

Excellent idea.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

Thanks

The problem is how the killer was able to get the key if he didn't know them personally (I don't buy the window trick, or the latched lock etc) Maybe he had been watching Barnett also, and perhaps had nicked the key.

[lynn cates]

how

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

OK. But why is the key necessary? If he knew her, he would likely know HOW to get in.

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

OK. But why is the key necessary? If he knew her, he would likely know HOW to get in.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

I suppose so, if he knew her then yeah he would know. If he didn't and was stalking her then he may have witnessed how she got in & out of the house.

So yeah not so necessary

[Amanda Sumner]

Of course there is a possibility that Mary let him in, so there was no need for a key at all. If the killer then took the key on his way out and then later Barnett lied to police that it had been missing for some time, then this could go a long way to explaining what happened.
There is no way that anyone could have unlocked the door from the window, the broken pane was too high, but what is odd is that the police did not check his story out. I believe that had he admitted that the key existed, he could well have been accused of murder
As I have said before, I don't think he was JtR, in fact i'm quite certain of it, but whatever the truth, the police were satisfied with his statement and let him go.

[c.d.]

I keep seeing posts where people speculate that Mary knew her killer as if that fact alone is quite significant and has a bearing on her murder and the case itself. But we need to keep in mind that knowing someone is not the same as having a personal relationship with that person. For instance, I know the garage attendants in my apartment building but I don't really have a personal relationship with them. As far as Mary "knowing" her killer, it could have been someone she first met earlier that day.

Also, I will give Sam Flynn credit for his comments regarding the missing heart. Sam rightly pointed out that there is a big difference in the symbolic love and romantic meaning attached to the heart as opposed to holding a slimy, bloody, stinking organ in your hand.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Of course there is a possibility that Mary let him in, so there was no need for a key at all. If the killer then took the key on his way out and then later Barnett lied to police that it had been missing for some time, then this could go a long way to explaining what happened.
There is no way that anyone could have unlocked the door from the window, the broken pane was too high, but what is odd is that the police did not check his story out. I believe that had he admitted that the key existed, he could well have been accused of murder
As I have said before, I don't think he was JtR, in fact i'm quite certain of it, but whatever the truth, the police were satisfied with his statement and let him go.

I could be wrong but I thought that both Joe and Mary let themselves in after the key was lost by reaching through the window and opening the door.

c.d.