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  • The Time spent Killing Kelly

    I hope this hasn't been asked before, please forgive me if it has but i was thinking. In previous murders, he was interrupted, he had to watch how long he did his thing, but with Mary Kelly, he could take his time...He literally took her apart and honestly even if it was in a frenzy, that takes time, he must've been in there for quite some time. I mean being covered in blood can be explained away during those days but said and done Kelly was seen with a man just before death. What i'm trying to ask/say is that it's hard to believe that such a gruesome crime scene didn't make any noise, didn't cause some kind of commotion. How, are there theories as to how he did it. Early as it was in the morning i could understand how he could leave without being seen but you rip someone apart like that surely there'd be something????

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    The question I believe is much to do with blood spray and how much of it there was. If there was minimal spray then it is quite feasible there would not be that much blood on the killer's clothing. Once the heart stops beating there is no pulse, therefore there is no pumping of blood and no spray.

    He could quite have easily took his coat (and possibly waistcoat off) to just perform these acts in his shirt. He may have had an apron. Either way once he put his jacket back on and ventured back out into the dark night no-one would likely notice any blood stains in my view.
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    • #3
      No bloodied footprints or [recognizable] hand prints left in her room, either.

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      • #4
        Interesting!! Did read that possibly Mary was suffocated with pillowcase!? Thus heart stopped no blood splatter or as important no screaming or shouting!!

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        • #5
          There was a cry of "Oh Murder". The previous 2 ,Stride and Eddowes, there was none. This was not a "client\unfortunate in the act" situation, where the victim was unaware of what was to come.
          Last edited by Varqm; 12-24-2021, 04:05 AM.
          Clearly the first human laws (way older and already established) spawned organized religion's morality - from which it's writers only copied/stole,ex. you cannot kill,rob,steal (forced,it started civil society).
          M. Pacana

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
            No bloodied footprints or [recognizable] hand prints left in her room, either.
            -- Do we not see the imprint of bloody fingers on Kelly's lower right leg? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that Lech..., I mean, the killer, ever left...

            M.
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            • #7
              I think that was Stephen Ryder's theory years ago, but its not all that clear.

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              • #8
                She may well have been drugged ,rendered unconsious , then the killer would have no problem working without interruption .Just one theory
                'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

                  -- Do we not see the imprint of bloody fingers on Kelly's lower right leg? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that Lech..., I mean, the killer, ever left...

                  M.
                  Do we not see the (FM) on Kelly's (wall)? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that (Jim)..., I mean, the killer, ever left...
                  Thems the Vagaries.....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post
                    Do we not see the (FM) on Kelly's (wall)?
                    We do not.

                    M.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

                      Do we not see the (FM) on Kelly's (wall)? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that (Jim)..., I mean, the killer, ever left...
                      Sorry, but I don't.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

                        -- Do we not see the imprint of bloody fingers on Kelly's lower right leg? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that Lech..., I mean, the killer, ever left...

                        M.
                        Ridiculous.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

                          Do we not see the (FM) on Kelly's (wall)? As far as I can see, that's literally the nearest thing to a clue that (Jim)..., I mean, the killer, ever left...
                          No there is no FM

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                          • #14
                            It's possible the killer waited for the best opportunity to kill Mary, [ hence the least noise ]. We don't know how long he was with her before he struck. The fact that Mary just had her chemise on would suggest at least the time it took her to undress.
                            Regards Darryl

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Varqm View Post
                              There was a cry of "Oh Murder"
                              No proof it was Kelly. The witness statement claimed it was faint. Most likely well away from the scene.

                              I think I had a man about to strangle me to death in my bed. I would more likely let out a blood-curdling scream than releasing an almost polite "Oh murder" quietly.

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