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  • Wickerman
    Commissioner
    • Oct 2008
    • 14865

    #151
    Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
    Hello Debs. Yes. But since they seem not to have . . .

    Cheers.
    LC
    It was claimed that her family was reasonably well-to-do, presumably by East end standards?
    Is it possible the police located them but they requested anonymity?

    Regards, Jon S.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #152
      anonymity

      Hello Jon. I'll meet you half way. SOMEONE requested anonymity.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • Wickerman
        Commissioner
        • Oct 2008
        • 14865

        #153
        Well Lynn, thats as far as I'm going down that road seeing as this is all conjecture. So long as the "visible" absence of the family can be accounted for by reasonable means.

        There was a "small crowd of people" permitted inside the closed cemetery gates, but remained some distance from the grave.
        The mass of onlookers were kept outside the gates.

        It is difficult, I think, to accept that not one of her family appeared at her funeral, but I can easily imagine a lone? representative (or small group, 2-3?) keeping a respectable distance, but again thats conjecture.

        Regards, Jon S.
        Regards, Jon S.

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        • lynn cates
          Commisioner
          • Aug 2009
          • 13841

          #154
          shocking

          Hello Jon. Thanks.

          "It is difficult, I think, to accept that not one of her family appeared at her funeral."

          I would call it shocking. And yet . . .

          Perhaps some day a reasonable explanation will be found. I have seen none to date.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • Wickerman
            Commissioner
            • Oct 2008
            • 14865

            #155
            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post

            Perhaps some day a reasonable explanation will be found. I have seen none to date.

            Cheers.
            LC
            Ah, but a "reasonable explanation" for none being in attendance, or a "reasonable explanation" for none being noticed?

            Regards, Jon S.
            Regards, Jon S.

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            • caz
              Premium Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 10574

              #156
              Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
              Hello Jon. Thanks.

              "It is difficult, I think, to accept that not one of her family appeared at her funeral."

              I would call it shocking. And yet . . .

              Perhaps some day a reasonable explanation will be found. I have seen none to date.

              Cheers.
              LC
              You mean it's unreasonable to suggest that Mary Kelly was an alias, and that consequently no relatives realised who she was?

              I'm confused.

              Love,

              Caz
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              • Scott Nelson
                Superintendent
                • Feb 2008
                • 2404

                #157
                So is the Henry Johnston lead completely dead now? If so, I honestly can't recall why.

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                • Bridewell
                  Commissioner
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 4038

                  #158
                  Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
                  So is the Henry Johnston lead completely dead now? If so, I honestly can't recall why.
                  Nor can I, but a Kelly lead which goes nowhere is par for the course.

                  Regards, Bridewell.
                  I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                  • Debra A
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3504

                    #159
                    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
                    So is the Henry Johnston lead completely dead now? If so, I honestly can't recall why.
                    Ditto Michael Kelly. What do we want? He's got the right surname, in the right regiment and his mother is still living in Ireland. ?

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                    • Bridewell
                      Commissioner
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 4038

                      #160
                      I Missed It

                      Originally posted by Debra A View Post
                      Ditto Michael Kelly. What do we want? He's got the right surname, in the right regiment and his mother is still living in Ireland. ?
                      Hi Debs,

                      I've obviously missed something here. Can you enlighten me?

                      Regards, Bridewell.
                      I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #161
                        funeral attendance

                        Hello Jon. The former.

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #162
                          late reply

                          Hello Caroline.

                          "You mean it's unreasonable to suggest that Mary Kelly was an alias [?]"

                          Not at all.

                          " . . . and that consequently no relatives realised who she was?"

                          Did they not read the papers? Did they not correspond with her?

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • Cogidubnus
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 3266

                            #163
                            Sorry Wickers

                            You see...this is my problem...If Mary Kelly's a false name, SOMEBODY must've known it, to be able to send her letters...so if it wasn't Ma (and research in Ireland, Wales and via "the brother in the Scots Guards" seems to suggest not) then the letters presumably don't come from family at all, and perhaps originate from a lover...

                            In which case, as far as MJKs identity is concerned, we are, on present evidence, right royally screwed are we not?

                            All the best

                            Dave

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                            • Bridewell
                              Commissioner
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 4038

                              #164
                              False Name

                              Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                              You see...this is my problem...If Mary Kelly's a false name, SOMEBODY must've known it, to be able to send her letters...so if it wasn't Ma (and research in Ireland, Wales and via "the brother in the Scots Guards" seems to suggest not) then the letters presumably don't come from family at all, and perhaps originate from a lover...

                              In which case, as far as MJKs identity is concerned, we are, on present evidence, right royally screwed are we not?

                              All the best

                              Dave
                              Hi Dave,

                              It is quite possible. I think, that Mary Kelly is not a false name. There has been no positively identified birth or census record, but that doesn't prove that she didn't live under that name, only that she appears not to be recorded under it. Perhaps she was part of an Irish itinerant family. That would explain the absence from official records, I think. It may be a false name, but I don't rule out the possibility that the one true thing she said about herself was her name.

                              Regards, Bridewell.
                              I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                              • Cogidubnus
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 3266

                                #165
                                Hi Colin

                                You may be right I guess...I'd be delighted if you were in fact! But I fear you're not...

                                Every good wish!

                                Dave

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