The Broken Window

[harry]

If we are to stick to facts,then what Barnett said about reaching through the window to open the door is quite understandable if the bottom half of the sash window was pushed upwards,and I see no reason why the window in question couldn't be.
Of course one would actually be reaching through a void space,but in the language of the day,whether it was a hand,head or whole torso,it would be spoken of as"through the window".
I do not think there is any problem with the statement given by Barnett.

[Bob Hinton]

I think you've hit the nail on the head - furthest means nearest precicely because of how you spin it. We in 21C land are looking at a photo of the place and we judge nearest and furthest based on the position of the camera. They, at the inquest were looking at a plan (and a plan made looking from a certain direction). Do we know in which direction this was? If not, we can only go on the pictures we have
... and they seem conclusive to me.

I’m sorry Raoul but you are totally wrong. I don’t judge which is nearest or furthest from the position of the camera, I judge it from the position of Bowyer as he walked round the corner, as I assume most people do. Walking round the corner he is coming up to two windows. One is a large one which is furthest away, and the other is the small one which is nearest. The nearest, the small window has four panes of glass in it.

After getting himself in a knot he is shown the plans and he identifies the pane of glass he is talking about. He says:

“I refer to the plans and I mean the farthest pane of the first window, the small one”

You cannot get clearer than this.

As for the photograph I must admit after seeing the one posted I have serious doubts about the “broken pane”. It looks to me as if the picture has been re-touched. I’ve never seen a broken window like that before. Do we still have the original glass negative anywhere? If it hasn’t then it only clearly shows one broken window pane that of upper right, there are no clear indications of other panes being broken.

[Abby Normal]

After viewing the photos, to me there is a clear break in top right pane, but none in the others.

I am now starting to think that the whole reaching through the window to open the door was incorrect/lie as it does not seem possible to unlock the door through the top right broken pane. The landlord having to smash in the door also in my mind reinforces this.

What is going on here? Did they really lose the key? Did MK just keep the door unlocked alll the time. Could the door be locked when leaving without a key?

[Jane Coram]

The photograph actually looks much clearer on my machine. I think it's lost some of the quality being posted up to the site. This is the copy of the photograph that Stewart posted up, so I presume it's a scan from the first generation hard copy print. I'll see if I can reproduce the exact black levels that display in photoshop on my machine, so that it shows a true version of the image I'm looking at. It does show the bottom right and left window panes quite clearly, so people can make a better judgement. Other than adjusting the black levels slightly, it's not been retouched in any other way.

Hugs

Janie

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[Jane Coram]

I don't know if Gary would like to have another go, or indeed anyone else that can use Photoshop, as different people have different techniques and some might work out better than others. I personally can't do much more with it, but someone else might have better luck. All I did was to adust the black levels using the 'levels' feature in Photoshop. It's still not much clearer, but slightly better. It looks more or less the same on the site now as it does in my Photoshop.

Jane

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[Stewart P Evans]

Thank You

I don't know if Gary would like to have another go, or indeed anyone else that can use Photoshop, as different people have different techniques and some might work out better than others. I personally can't do much more with it, but someone else might have better luck. All I did was to adust the black levels using the 'levels' feature in Photoshop. It's still not much clearer, but slightly better. It looks more or less the same on the site now as it does in my Photoshop.
Jane
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Thank you for that Jane, the two broken, right side panes are visible in my original photograph.

[Scott Nelson]

What's the provenance of this photo? I'm fairly sure it's Kelly's (former?) room Miller's Court. Could it have originated with William Stewart's collection? Were the windows almost always getting broken?

[Monty]

Im sorry, just came onboard here, but are we really debating this?

Seems a waste to me.

Monty

[Stewart P Evans]

Donald Rumbelow

What's the provenance of this photo?...

Donald Rumbelow.

[Scott Nelson]

Thank you Stewart. Since Rumbelow didn't take the picture, he must have obtained it from somewhere.

Yes Neil, like almost everything else on these threads, it's a waste of time.

[Stewart P Evans]

Provenance

Thank you Stewart. Since Rumbelow didn't take the picture, he must have obtained it from somewhere.
Yes Neil, like almost everything else on these threads, it's a waste of time.

I thought that you had been around Ripperworld long enough to know the provenance of this very well known photograph Scott. It was found in the mid-1960s by Don Rumbelow in the photographic department of the City Police, together with the victim photographs. Don immediately recognised it as the Miller's Court scene.

[Robert]

Hi Stewart

Are you sure in your own mind that the photo dates from 1888, and not from Matters?

[Scott Nelson]

Just to add that if it was taken in 1888 just after the discovery of the body, the crowd control must have been remarkable. The court looks deserted.

[Stewart P Evans]

Waste of Time

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Yes Neil, like almost everything else on these threads, it's a waste of time.

Like you say - it's a waste of time, and I'm not wasting any more time here. Do your own research.

[Rob Clack]

I believe Don found the glass negative for Millers Court (which I think has since gone missing) and he writes about how he found it in 'The Complete Jack the Ripper'. I don't think there is any doubt (in my mind anyway) that it was taken on the morning of the 9 November 1888.

Rob