The Broken Window

[Robert]

Maybe the rags used to plug one of the holes served a double purpose - draught exclusion and as a safety wrapping for the hand in case she ever did get locked out.

[packers stem]

Hi all
Simon and stewart ,you both state that the lower right pane is broken.
Philips just mentions the 'window nearest the court' which is all 4 panes.The window furthest from the court is not in the photo.So it could be either of the two lower panes broken could it not.
Anyhow ,for the life of me i cannot see a break in either of the two lower panes no matter what angle i look at the scan from,oh for HD.
I can see every line and angle in the upper one.If you two can see it then i'd better get to specsavers

[Chava]

There is a break but it's really really hard to see.

However that lower pane got broken, I can see it's possible to reach through and open the door. But I will bet that MJK didn't do that. It's not like she had a lot to take. And she had her dear friend Maria Hervey in and out, possibly when she wasn't around, so leaving the door unlocked would have worked for her as well.

[Stewart P Evans]

Both

Hi all
Simon and stewart ,you both state that the lower right pane is broken.
Philips just mentions the 'window nearest the court' which is all 4 panes.The window furthest from the court is not in the photo.So it could be either of the two lower panes broken could it not.
Anyhow ,for the life of me i cannot see a break in either of the two lower panes no matter what angle i look at the scan from,oh for HD.
I can see every line and angle in the upper one.If you two can see it then i'd better get to specsavers

The very same debate about these broken window panes took place on these threads about ten years ago. Both right side panes (top and bottom, nearest to the passage) were broken.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Stewart,

Thanks for providing the photo.. nice to know I don't need a trip to specsavers either.

best wishes

Phil

[packers stem]

I can see a small circular difference in the shading in the bottom right corner of the pane.Is this what you all can see?The size of what i'm seeing though in no way would enable an arm to reach through.
Is it possible for anyone to highlight the break or enhance this image?
Maybe it is me cos i struggle with the F of FM in the room as well!

[Chava]

Earlier in the thread Frank posted a recreation of the window and door. You can see the break as it appeared in the room.

[Jane Coram]

Here is an enhanced version of the image that shows the broken panes a bit more clearly. You can't do much more with it, because the information just isn't there. I've just outlined the bottom pane more clearly so that you can make it out a bit better.

Hugs

Janie

xxxx

[Chava]

Thanks Jane! I thought the lower parts of the window had been taken out to allow an arm to go through. I'd be quite reluctant to put an arm through that jagged break. You could really hurt yourself if you snagged on that. But it is in a perfect position to reach the lock.

[Jane Coram]

It's actually possible the hole extends down a bit further than I've outlined there, but I erred on the side of caution and just included the area that I was pretty certain were edges of glass. Here's the other option.

I do agree with Bob though, that Mary almost certainly left the door on the latch almost all of the time. I even wonder whether she ever bothered to drop the catch when she went out.

Hugs

Janie

xxxxx

[Chava]

If you look at how the edges jag, it would be a pretty nasty thing to put your hand through in the dark after a night out on the ran-tan.

[packers stem]

outline

Many thanks Jane.



Don't quite know why i can see the edges so clearly on the top one though and not at all on the bottom on the original scan.
Never mind.

[Robert]

Re the business of reaching through the window :

I should think it wasn't something they did very often. If they did, then they surely would have just knocked out the rest of the glass, removing the jagged edges. If would have been no skin off McCarthy's nose, as his window was wrecked anyway. True the room would have been a bit colder, but there you go.

[Bob Hinton]

The Broken Window

Hi Stephen,

The lower right hand window pane was also broken.

Doctor Phillips -

"Two panes in the lesser window were broken, and as the door was locked I looked through the lower of the broken panes and satisfied myself that the mutilated corpse lying on the bed was not in need of any immediate attention from me . . ."

Regards,

Simon

The two broken panes were upper right and lower left.

[Bob Hinton]

The Broken Window

The very same debate about these broken window panes took place on these threads about ten years ago. Both right side panes (top and bottom, nearest to the passage) were broken.

I disagree. Evidence given at the inquest makes it quite clear the two broken panes were lower left and upper right.