few questions on mjks background

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Grave Maurice!

Well, in that case they probably only knew her as "that tall girl!"

All the best
Jukka

[The Grave Maurice]

Well, yeah, Jukka, there's no way they could have known who she was, but I thought that one of them might have noticed an attractive young woman walking around the area. There was a pub at the end of Turners Road and, if she ever went to it, MJK would very likely have gone right past my great-grandfather's house.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Grave Maurice!

So, your great-grandfather possibly was so close to a historical figure!

Well, a nice thought indeed!

If she ever lived there, she was pretty likely noticed for her attractiveness and for being as tall as the contemporary men!

All the best
Jukka

[Roy Corduroy]

157 Bow Common Lane at the arrow. The address Elizabeth Phoenix gave.
The two gasworks circled.



Again, the article by Neal and Jennifer Shelden in Casebook Examiner #1 adds new information on Morganstone & Phoenix. A very nice article. Building on previous research by Evans and Connell.

[curious4]

Johnto

Hello Joelhall,

Welsh speaking was actively opposed (from the time of Henry the eighth onwards). Johnto (probably Ianto) was possibly too welsh for the army, so he took another name (possibly second name?) Wouldn´t have meant much, he was probably called "Taffy" anyway. (popular nickname for welshmen)

Best wishes,
C4

[mpriestnall]

And all we can say for certain is...

- that she was not Irish nor Welsh born.
- did not marry a miner.
- did not die in 1888.

And you don't believe me...

[DJA]

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[Wickerman]

And all we can say for certain is...

- that she was not Irish nor Welsh born.
- did not marry a miner.
- did not die in 1888.

And you don't believe me...

I feel the only certainty is:
- the victims real name was not Mary Kelly.

[DJA]

Local girl.

[mpriestnall]

I feel the only certainty is:
- the victims real name was not Mary Kelly.

And that's the only reason not a trace of her has been found after 135 years?

"Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only One Half That You See"

[mpriestnall]

Local girl.

Hi DJA

I certainly agree with you MJK was a local girl.

If you have plentiful of reliable genealogical data for an MJK candidate, which I infer that your have, surely it should not be hard to eliminate her as 'our' MJK?

[DJA]

Eliminate?

[Wickerman]

And that's the only reason not a trace of her has been found after 135 years?

"Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only One Half That You See"

Yes, we have an example in the press from one resident of Millers Court who said "we knew her as Mary Jane, but that wasn't her real name. We don't use our real names", or words to that effect.
Sometimes we fail to see the wood for the trees. We have not found the real Mary Kelly because she was not born with that name.
We've located a few reasonable candidates but they all seem to survive into the 1891 census, or at least there is no register of death in Nov. 1888.

[mpriestnall]

Yes, we have an example in the press from one resident of Millers Court who said "we knew her as Mary Jane, but that wasn't her real name. We don't use our real names", or words to that effect.
Sometimes we fail to see the wood for the trees. We have not found the real Mary Kelly because she was not born with that name.
We've located a few reasonable candidates but they all seem to survive into the 1891 census, or at least there is no register of death in Nov. 1888.

Cheers, Wicks. Surviving into the 1891 census isn't a problem for me. I'm sure she did! The whole point of the Millers Court event was to murder another woman to act as a decoy to cover the relocation of Kelly. This may seem a little far fetched to most, but I'm confident I can show in my book, this is true.

Putting my theory to one side, given the electronic resources available to researchers today, the number of people who have searched for her since her murder, surely it's reasonable to assume, if Barnett's story was true, she should have been found by now. Ergo, not only her name was not Kelly, but her whole background is fake.

Wicks, a question for you. Amongst her Millers Court cohorts, how come only Barnett referred to Kelly as "Marie Jeanette"?

[DJA]

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