few questions on mjks background

[Wickerman]

Cheers, Wicks. Surviving into the 1891 census isn't a problem for me. I'm sure she did! The whole point of the Millers Court event was to murder another woman to act as a decoy to cover the relocation of Kelly. This may seem a little far fetched to most, but I'm confident I can show in my book, this is true.

Putting my theory to one side, given the electronic resources available to researchers today, the number of people who have searched for her since her murder, surely it's reasonable to assume, if Barnett's story was true, she should have been found by now. Ergo, not only her name was not Kelly, but her whole background is fake.

I'm not so sure, I suspect the background story is based on fact. My guess, and it's only a guess, is the victim at Millers Court might have been the cousin who Mary spoke of. The one she blamed for leading her down the wrong path. Mary is alive and well, along with her seven brothers & one sister, it's the cousin who adopted her identity far away from home in the East End of London.
Hows that for a paperback romance

Wicks, a question for you. Amongst her Millers Court cohorts, how come only Barnett referred to Kelly as "Marie Jeanette"?

I never gave it a thought, obviously you have. You feel like sharing that or, do I have to wait for the book?

[Linotte]

Hi all.

I know this might be a dead thread, but has anyone checked immigration records for the names of the brothers or other family that we know?

I did look at my Irish family background to get a baseline of some kind. It seems that once a lot of families got out of Ireland proper, they could do ok. So it is possible that MJK may have come from a middle-class family as Rubenhold believes. I can check with the Hibernian Society in Corktown/Detroit to get some idea of where to look, too, or at least of the conditions in Ireland during the time. I hope it helps someone.

[Sunny Delight]

Hi all.

I know this might be a dead thread, but has anyone checked immigration records for the names of the brothers or other family that we know?

I did look at my Irish family background to get a baseline of some kind. It seems that once a lot of families got out of Ireland proper, they could do ok. So it is possible that MJK may have come from a middle-class family as Rubenhold believes. I can check with the Hibernian Society in Corktown/Detroit to get some idea of where to look, too, or at least of the conditions in Ireland during the time. I hope it helps someone.

I am from Ireland and am very much a history buff. A huge issue for many historians in Ireland when researching family trees or individuals was that much of the historical record is absent. During the Irish War of Independence the Custom House in Dublin was attacked by the IRA in 1921. It was completely destroyed. Much of the local records from around the country dating back to 1600 had been brought to the Custom House for safekeeping. This treasure trove was lost forever. Added to that was that during the Irish Civil War in 1922 seven centuries of records were destroyed when the Irish Free State Forces attacked the IRA post in the Four Courts in Dublin. The Public Record Office within was destroyed and all the records lost.

I am not sure if many are aware but a painstaking reproduction of the archives was well underway in 2022 and is almost now complete. There are still lots of missing documents but this new trove may be worth an extensive look.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/irish-public-record-office-civil-war-bombardment-archives-reborn

[Linotte]

I am from Ireland and am very much a history buff. A huge issue for many historians in Ireland when researching family trees or individuals was that much of the historical record is absent. During the Irish War of Independence the Custom House in Dublin was attacked by the IRA in 1921. It was completely destroyed. Much of the local records from around the country dating back to 1600 had been brought to the Custom House for safekeeping. This treasure trove was lost forever. Added to that was that during the Irish Civil War in 1922 seven centuries of records were destroyed when the Irish Free State Forces attacked the IRA post in the Four Courts in Dublin. The Public Record Office within was destroyed and all the records lost.

I am not sure if many are aware but a painstaking reproduction of the archives was well underway in 2022 and is almost now complete. There are still lots of missing documents but this new trove may be worth an extensive look.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/irish-public-record-office-civil-war-bombardment-archives-reborn

Good to know! Thank you! ❤️