Weapons used on Mary?

[kjab3112]

Someone with a good grounding in anatomy would do just as well. I've long been interested in anatomy myself, and have studied it, almost as a "hobby", since I was a kid. Much later, as part of my degree, I took an examined module in neuroanatomy under the splendid Prof Bob Lieberman at UCL, albeit neuroanatomy is probably not going to help us much with the MJK photographs! That said, for a lay-person, I'm pretty good at telling apart my gluteus maximus from my humerus.

Hi Sam would that be your humeral-olecranon-radial head joint?

Paul

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Sam would that be your humeral-olecranon-radial head joint?

Strictly speaking, yes, Paul; more olecranon than humerus, if anything. I'll revise my metaphor, and use the more accurate version the next time

[Robert St Devil]

hi sam and henry.
do you see the indication of a ridgeline where I have denoted the photo with yellow markings?

[DJA]

As rigor mortis is all about muscle contraction as oxygen and nutrients run out, there will be the occasional slight twitch and movement of the muscles after death. We're not talking about the Thriller video, here, but it's not a totally static picture.

Not to mention Sarcoplasmic reticulum

[Callmebill]

Mary was shifted in the process?

I've never been able to understand that photograpgh.
The cameraman would have had to have moved the bed. His position would place him between the wall and the bed facing the windows? The bed was against the wall, wasn't it? So if he's not standing on the mattress, and that shot is on a level, with what is presubably Kelly's knee, where is he other with his back to the partition?
That means the bed was moved and perhaps Mary was shifted in the process.

[Sam Flynn]

I don't think Kelly's bed needed to be moved; or not by much, if at all. It seems likely that the camera was rested on something, maybe that rolled-up blanket towards the end of the bed, aligned in the right direction, and the photo taken "remotely" so to speak.

[DarkPassenger]

Jesus, that poor woman.

[Callmebill]

Just a knife

I don't think an axe is necessary. Apparently, just a knife is needed. Although I have trouble slicing a roast - probably has more to do with my cooking. Anyway the below link shows the correct use of a knife in butchery. Quite horribly similar with the wounds inflicted on Mary Kelly.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Gq8pAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=a+knife+will+separate+joints+tendons&source=bl&ots=YGDKxr61TY&sig=bYXLfWIrGhP6jGExRilEPEuG37o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwifs_6NuvPVAhVKAcAKHZBJBR8Q6AEITDAK#v=onepage&q=a%20knife%20will%20separate%20joints%20tendons&f=false

[Robert St Devil]

I don't think Kelly's bed needed to be moved; or not by much, if at all. It seems likely that the camera was rested on something, maybe that rolled-up blanket towards the end of the bed, aligned in the right direction, and the photo taken "remotely" so to speak.

right behind those covers is where i have the camera too, however wondering, why one photo is wide lens and the other, uh, isn,t? i was thinking he may have had two cameras, one being a more portable variety and easier to place between the wall and bed cover.

[Sam Flynn]

right behind those covers is where i have the camera too, however wondering, why one photo is wide lens and the other, uh, isn,t? i was thinking he may have had two cameras, one being a more portable variety and easier to place between the wall and bed cover.

Possibly, although I can't rule out the possibility that MJK3 was cropped.

[The Rookie Detective]

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fascinating discussion



RD

[Michael W Richards]

I don't think Kelly's bed needed to be moved; or not by much, if at all. It seems likely that the camera was rested on something, maybe that rolled-up blanket towards the end of the bed, aligned in the right direction, and the photo taken "remotely" so to speak.

Seems odd to be responding to a post you made 7 years ago Sam, but I wanted to add a bit. I think you are correct, that a camera was placed on that bunched up bedding between the bed and the wall. Remote shutter using a bulb likely. I also thing the space it created was already there...I dont see Mary having that bed Flush to the partition wall normally, she would have had to have some room on the far side to be able to make the bed. I think he bunched and stuffed the bedding down there when he prepared to carve Mary up. He cuts her throat, struggles with he a bit as she fades. Then when she has succumbed to the blood loss and blacked out, he flips her onto her back, grabs the blankets and stuffs them down by the far side of the bed....and presumably rolls up his sleeves.

I dont mean to be graphic needlessly, I think we need to recreate how things were accomplished physically to understand the scene, and the killer, better.

[The Rookie Detective]

The photo taken from the opposite side to me does not seem to match up.

That is unless something has been moved between shots.

In the photo we see what appears to be her left hand; but there is clearly something on the table that would have obscured her left hand in the original shot.

Has the authenticity of the photo been definitively confirmed?

The clarity of the shot to me looks a modern mock-up of the scene.

I was under the impression that there was only one shot taken of MJK; the one we all know as taken on the day of the murder itself.


RD

[Michael W Richards]

The photo taken from the opposite side to me does not seem to match up.

That is unless something has been moved between shots.

In the photo we see what appears to be her left hand; but there is clearly something on the table that would have obscured her left hand in the original shot.

Has the authenticity of the photo been definitively confirmed?

The clarity of the shot to me looks a modern mock-up of the scene.

I was under the impression that there was only one shot taken of MJK; the one we all know as taken on the day of the murder itself.


RD

Actually there are several glass plates that were used in that room that day, we generally see MJK1 and MJK3 used here. But apparently, as Ive been told from someone who has seen a plate, they were numbered "1 of 6". It would seem possible that perhaps undeveloped or unreleased images of that room are around somewhere.

[Michael W Richards]

I think the shot back across Mary from the wall POV was shot with a remote shutter, and the photographer either ducked or stepped left out of frame.