The Grisly

[mariab]

Bridewell,
Yiddish is essentially a Germanic language. Particularly the Yiddish used in the Arbeter Fraint, as edited by Philip Krantz AKA Joseph Rombro, was VERY Germanized Yiddish, which was considered as "intellectual". (This has been corroborated both by Prof. Jerry Sadock at the University of Chicago and by Dr. Turtletaub at Northwestern Uni in Chicago. Lynn Cates will back me up on this.) Thus pretty easy for a Swede to comprehend Yiddish, most plausibly even easier than English. As a German speaker, I too understand spoken Yiddish. Reading it though is a whole another matter! Personally I can only read "Schwartz" and "Z'sammentreffen", which means "meeting". ;-) "Schwartz" in Yiddish almost looks like medieval music notation. (Reads from right to left.)

[mariab]

Thanks so much to Simon for "HoC" and I see that Lynn was quick (as usual).
;-)

[lynn cates]

Yiddish

Hello Maria. Oh, sure--the easy stuff.

But can you spell Louis Dimshits in Yiddish? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

The 'original files' show that around November 6th, and investigation into Warren's actions regarding the graffiti sprung up out of nowhere, and a few days later he was out of a job.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

That's correct Tom.

Monty

[mariab]

Lol, Lynn. We'd need Tom and Gareth/Sam on this. :-p Or I could learn how to spell "sh*t" in Yiddish – for posteriority, as Gareth would put it.

PS.: I also knew how to spell "Hyde Park", but I forgot. Jerry Sadock was finding it a hoot that we were reading the stuff in Hyde Park too (AKA, Chicago Hyde Park).

[Bridewell]

Bridewell,
Yiddish is essentially a Germanic language. Particularly the Yiddish used in the Arbeter Fraint, as edited by Philip Krantz AKA Joseph Rombro, was VERY Germanized Yiddish, which was considered as "intellectual". (This has been corroborated both by Prof. Jerry Sadock at the University of Chicago and by Dr. Turtletaub at Northwestern Uni in Chicago. Lynn Cates will back me up on this.) Thus pretty easy for a Swede to comprehend Yiddish, most plausibly even easier than English. As a German speaker, I too understand spoken Yiddish. Reading it though is a whole another matter! Personally I can only read "Schwartz" and "Z'sammentreffen", which means "meeting". ;-) "Schwartz" in Yiddish almost looks like medieval music notation. (Reads from right to left.)

Hi Maria,

Alles klar. Danke!

In the light of the above, is it reasonable to suppose that Stride could understand and speak Yiddish, without necessarily being able to comprehend it in its written form?

Regards, Bridewell.

[mariab]

Wow, real nice German.

In the light of the above, is it reasonable to suppose that Stride could understand and speak Yiddish, without necessarily being able to comprehend it in its written form?

Very plausibly, but I mean, who knows? She might have learned to read a few words. But I very much doubt that she might have used the AF as anything else than an extra layer for keeping warm (vs. using it for inspirational reading).

[Roy Corduroy]

So much of the Ripper mystery is about what we have convinced ourselves is true.

If we have convinced ourselves wrongly, then you can set it straight, Simon?

Interesting that the circumstances leading up to Nichols and Chapman being out on the streets were officially reported almost word-for-word.

What do you mean, interesting? Are you saying the stories are untrue? Are you saying the circumstances were officially reported almost word-for-word for a reason other than what we have convinced ourselves, which you will explain to us?

I'm still not getting this thread Grisly. I thought you were going to explain why, according to you, the doctor and witness in the Nichols case changed their stories. But you didn't.

The thread is just a series of question marks. Like prarie dogs sticking their heads out of one hole. Then scurrying off and popping into another hole. Don't get me wrong. I find that entertaining. When I was a boy I could watch the prarie dogs for hours at the zoo.

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Simon. I know that. I was answering Maria's question

Surely the fact that you felt bound to ask the question in the first place, indicates that there was considerable doubt in your mind...the fact that nobody's found any proof, either way since, (as evidenced by your clearly rhetorical second question) must, therefore, be very reassuring!

Yes, because researching and not finding the proof I seek is very reassuring. And yes, of course I have doubt. There's not a question regarding the Stride murder I HAVEN'T asked, and that's how it should be. But I don't go and support some idea just because it's new, different, and possible. That's easy to do but won't get you anywhere. At this point, I've found no proof that Schwartz was a liar. His statement is plausible with no real red flags (i.e. Hutchinson), and Abberline, two weeks after meeting Schwartz for the first time, still believed Schwartz was telling the truth. There are many other things I could mention, but that's good enough for our purposes. Having said all that, I do believe Schwartz had lived at the Berner Street club up until the day of the murder and this is what gave the police pause in accepting his evidence at first.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

I do believe Schwartz had lived at the Berner Street club up until the day of the murder and this is what gave the police pause in accepting his evidence at first.

For one thing and for what it's worth, the itinerary Schwartz was walking fits with him going from the IWEC to the corner of Ellen and Backchurch.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Roy,

It's quite clear that you're not getting this thread.

Regards,

Simon

[Jon Guy]

Hi Maria

I'm afraid it's not possible to prove or even to decide whether Schwartz was telling a lie, the complete truth, or some manipulated version of what happened to Stride on the night of her murder.

It is interesting though, that the man Schwartz describes has a strong resemblance to the man Stride was seen with an hour earlier, by Marshall.

[Garry Wroe]

Perhaps I'm missing something, Jon, but I see little resemblance between Broad Shoulders and Clerkly Man, let alone a strong one.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Gary

Black cutaway coat and dark trousers - dark jacket and trousers
Middle aged - about 30 yrs
5`6 - 5`5
round cap with a peak - black cap with a peak

[Fisherman]

Plus, Jon, "decently dressed" as per Marshall and "respectably dressed" as per Schwartz in the Star. Plus "stout" as per Marshall and "broad-shouldered" as per Schwartz.

The main problem here is that people have a propensity to imagine BS man as a shabby ruffian, something there is absolutely no evidence for - but it allows for a desired comparison with Lawendes man.

Marshalls man and BS man are very much alike. Some seem to think that Marshalls man wore a swallow-tailed evening jacket (thinking that this is what "cutaway" means), but the truth of the matter is that the 1880:s saw the introduction of a short jacket, with the lower front sides "cut away" from the garment, hence the name. And this could well be the exact garment that Marshalls man wore, a garment that fits very well with Schwartīs manīs "dark jacket".

Not that Iīm too hopeful about people changing their minds, but for what itīs worth, I very much second you, Jon - the two could be twins.

The best,
Fisherman