Brady St bloodstains Aug 31st

[JohnSAJR]

Hi John and thank you,

I presume that since he confessed to a murder, he remained in custody the rest of the night, so he'd have an alibi for both the Stride and the Eddowes murder.

Thanks for the reply, Lewis.

Yes, he remained in custody, was admitted to Holloway on Oct. 1st and medically examined on the 2nd. According to PC Brown, John Brown sat quietly at the station before producing a bloody knife. He was then asked to turn out his pockets where a second, smaller knife was discovered.

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis,

The other killer was John Brown, who murdered his wife around 10:50pm, but he then went straight to Rochester Row police station arriving at 11:00pm where he confessed. The on-duty PC, Thomas Brown and the report of DS Waldock confirm Brown was in custody while Liz was sheltering outside the Bricklayer's.

Hi John and thank you,

I presume that since he confessed to a murder, he remained in custody the rest of the night, so he'd have an alibi for both the Stride and the Eddowes murder.

[JohnSAJR]

I probably should have added that there's at least a possibility that Stride and Eddowes were killed by the same man. My understanding is that it has been established that Eddowes killer and the killer of the other woman that you mentioned are definitely 2 different people.

Hi Lewis,

The other killer was John Brown, who murdered his wife around 10:50pm, but he then went straight to Rochester Row police station arriving at 11:00pm where he confessed. The on-duty PC, Thomas Brown and the report of DS Waldock confirm Brown was in custody while Liz was sheltering outside the Bricklayer's.

[GBinOz]

I probably should have added that there's at least a possibility that Stride and Eddowes were killed by the same man. My understanding is that it has been established that Eddowes killer and the killer of the other woman that you mentioned are definitely 2 different people.

Hi Lewis,

I agree that there is a likely possibility that Stride and Eddowes were killed by the same man. However, not on the basis that it was that it was unlikely that two women could be killed by throat cut on the same night by a different perpetrator.

Cheers,George

[Lewis C]

Actually three women were killed that night, all with cut throats.

I probably should have added that there's at least a possibility that Stride and Eddowes were killed by the same man. My understanding is that it has been established that Eddowes killer and the killer of the other woman that you mentioned are definitely 2 different people.

[Tel]

When I call it the Double Event, I'm not implying that there's certainty that Stride was a Ripper victim. It would still be a double event in the sense that 2 women were killed less than an hour apart not far from one another.

Fair enough.

[The Rookie Detective]

Actually three women were killed that night, all with cut throats.

And the Torso killer also chose to either dump or move the Whitehall Torso on the same weekend.

[GBinOz]

When I call it the Double Event, I'm not implying that there's certainty that Stride was a Ripper victim. It would still be a double event in the sense that 2 women were killed less than an hour apart not far from one another.

Actually three women were killed that night, all with cut throats.

[Lewis C]

Nah, I am convinced that Liz Stride was a private murder.

When I call it the Double Event, I'm not implying that there's certainty that Stride was a Ripper victim. It would still be a double event in the sense that 2 women were killed less than an hour apart not far from one another.

[Tom_Wescott]

Nah, I am convinced that Liz Stride was a private murder.

"Surely not a Coldstream Guard private?" he asks, arms akimbo.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tel]

Nah, I am convinced that Liz Stride was a private murder.

[Geddy2112]

What double event?

The one that happened 137 years ago yesterday, Liz Stride and Catherine Eddowes.

[GBinOz]

But if this assault that was heard did occur before midnight, then that could imply that the Ripper attacked another woman prior to murdering Nichols.

Could the bloodstains have been made by another woman having been attacked before Nichols?

The important thing to remember here is that unless mother and daughter both lied, then a woman was indeed heard being attacked/running from her attacker, and who headed from the northern section of Brady Street, and who then ran south towards the witnesses location, when the woman outside was heard hitting the shutters of their shop.

There is no reason to suggest that the 2 witnesses lied, and on that basis, there was another woman attacked prior to Nichols having been murdered.

What are the chances of 2 women being attacked within such close proximity and within a relatively small time frame, and the assailant being a different man?

Could the Ripper have been stalking the area around Brady Street/Bucks Row and Nichols met her fate by walking towards her killer?

There's no evidence to support the idea that Nichols met her killer and accompanied him to somewhere secluded.

Otherwise, she wouldn't have been found left in the street.

Could this then explain why the Ripper moved to murdering Chapman in a back garden; away from the public street?

It seems to me that Nichols was so intoxicated that she went off wandering and the Ripper spotted her and killed her impulsively after assessing she would be easy prey.

Could there have been a woman who was assaulted in Brady St, who never came forward?

Could Nichols have been a rebound kill after the Ripper made such a mess of the woman he attacked closer to midnight?

Ultimately, the assault on the woman that was heard by mother and daughter, cannot be dismissed as irrelevant to the Ripper case, because even if this wasn't Nichols being initially attacked, it still suggests that the Ripper attacked another would be victim before he even saw Nichols.

Were there any records of any women who went to the hospital, and who were reported as having any stab wounds or cuts to their torso?

The London Hospital would be the obvious first port of call.

Fascinating.

Hi RD,

I cannot think of any reason for Colville or her daughter to have lied. But I don't see any evidence for the suggestion that the Colville incident occurred at a time in any way coincident with the Nichols murder. Your suggestion that the incident reported by Colville was a failed attack by the ripper prior to the Nichols murder is interesting conjecture, but no more than that. But fascinating, never the less.

Cheers, George

[Tel]

The double event?

What double event?

[Geddy2112]

What are the chances of 2 women being attacked within such close proximity and within a relatively small time frame, and the assailant being a different man?

The double event?