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    Hello I was interested to know where are the victims. In wich cementry?
    can i visit them?
    thanks for all the information.
    has somebody gone to the Exhibition of Jack the Ripper in the Museum of Docklands in London??
    is it good?

    Thanks from barcelona.
    Nieves

  • #2
    Originally posted by bicho View Post
    Hello I was interested to know where are the victims. In wich cementry?
    can i visit them?
    thanks for all the information.
    has somebody gone to the Exhibition of Jack the Ripper in the Museum of Docklands in London??
    is it good?

    Thanks from barcelona.
    Nieves

    Hello Nieves

    Look at the Victims section here at Casebook and it will provide you with information on the burial places of the victims as well as photographs of the grave markers.

    Someone else can answer for you on the exhibition at the Museum of the Docklands, which I have not seen. There has been considerable discussion of the pros and cons of the exhibition here at "Casebook: Jack the Ripper." See

    JTR Exhibition in Docklands

    Just What Do People Expect From a Jack the Ripper Exhibition?

    All the best

    Chris
    Christopher T. George
    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
    just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
    For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
    RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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    • #3
      Andy Spallek wrote an article for Ripper Notes that gave details on the how to locate the Ripper victims' burial locations. The text of that article (without the photos) is reproduced here on the Casebook:

      "Finding the Victims' Graves" by Andrew J. Spallek

      Dan Norder
      Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
      Web site: www.RipperNotes.com - Email: dannorder@gmail.com

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      • #4
        ^^^ I had posted some photos of the grave/memorial markers on the old boards but those are probably gone now. If there is a desire for them, I can post them again under each victim's thread. I do have photos of every victim's marker and of the general area where Ann Chapman lies. There is no marker for Ann.

        Here is the rundown on where they are buried:

        Nichols, Eddowes: City of London Cemetery
        Stride: East London Cemetery
        Kelly: St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Cemetery at Leytonstone.
        Chapman: Manor Park Cemetery (unmarked)

        The markers that exist mark approximate locations of the graves. Eddowes and Nicholls' markers are probably very approximate. I've heard that Kelly's is probably not too accurate either. Stride may be more accurate. The headstone is recent but the concrete surround appears to be at least many decades old, perhaps even a century or more.

        Since the victims were buried in common graves, the areas of these graves has been re-used. You will find no other marked pre-1900 graves in these areas today, which is an indicator that the exact locations are unknown. I asked one cemetery employee what was done physically was a section was re-used for burial. She said they would just bring in more dirt and build up the area and then bury the new bodies bascially on top of the old.

        Still, it is very meaningful for me to visit the victim's graves. It gives me the impression of being as "close" to the victims as I'll ever get.

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        • #5
          Many thanks for this information, Andy. Because the murder locations have mostly been rendered unrecognizable, except arguably for "Ripper's corner" in Mitre Square where Catherine Eddowes was killed, you are correct that the graves are the virtually the only way to get "close" to the victims these days, albeit as you say, the precise locations of their remains are unknown since they rest in common graves.

          All the best

          Chris
          Christopher T. George
          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
          just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
          For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
          RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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          • #6
            I have youtube footage of the grave sites of four of the victims. If anyone is interested I'll post the URL here. Just let me know.
            "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill

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            • #7
              That's probably (?) mine.

              I have YouTube clips I made of the burial sites of Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman, Liz Stride, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Kelly and - strangely - the Pinchin Street Torso. I also took loads of photos of the locations but they got lost (on-line, anyway) in the last crash.

              They might be on my FLICKR account. If so, I'll try to put up a link for them.

              PHILIP
              Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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              • #8
                You're probably right, Philip. It most likely is you giving a tour of the victims grave sites. I am missing the Annie Chapman grave. I'll keep looking for that one. If you want to be sure I can either post the URL's here or send them to you in a pm. Let me know which you prefer, if any.
                "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill

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                • #9
                  Hi Billy.

                  No need...

                  POLLY NICHOLS : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6DWmf7BZs

                  ANNIE CHAPMAN (anywhere in this area!) : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Px5HoUqMlok

                  LIS STRIDE : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcy9svnA-w

                  CATHERINE EDDOWES : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6gCBpa6NGTQ

                  MARY KELLY : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hyrN3q9WbK8

                  PINCHIN STREET TORSO : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_wNe2dPsdMg

                  PHILIP
                  Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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                  • #10
                    Thank, Philip, for those videos. They do convey much more of the surrounding area than do my still photos. Particularly interesting is your piece on the Pinchin Street torso. I knew this was buried in the East London Cemetery but I didn't know where. It is interesting because that is the only Ripper-era victim whose remains were intentionally preserved. They were preserved in spirits and soldered into a tin container as I recall.

                    While I don't think an organized tour of the grave sites would be in good taste, I might be persuaded to take one or two people if anyone wants to go while I am in London.

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                    • #11
                      You were right, Philip. They were your videos I have saved on my youtube favorites. Truely treasures to Ripperology, as your work tends to be. Thank you.
                      "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill

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                      • #12
                        Fooled you as well, then, Billy.

                        It never ceases to amaze me that people think I actually contribute much! Clacky does more than I do. I'm just more vocal about it.

                        Thanks, Andy, also. I can't recall where I got the info on the location. I have a feeling you told me the plot number and I asked at the office where it was when I went. It's really only about a dozen steps from where Liz is buried, much like the distance between Polly and Catherine at the CoL.

                        PHILIP
                        Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by George Hutchinson View Post
                          Thanks Philip.

                          Couldn't quite make out Mary's headstone (other than her name). What's the inscription?

                          Thanks
                          Sasha

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                          • #14
                            Hi Sasha

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                            What can I say? I am a star.

                            PHILIP
                            Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by George Hutchinson View Post
                              Hi Sasha

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                              What can I say? I am a star.

                              PHILIP
                              Yes you are!

                              Thanks
                              Sasha

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