Is that MJK's leg bone in the crime scene photo?

[E.J.H.]

Thank you very much! That's quite an eulogy...

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Too bad you have to pay to read his obituary, but he's certainly a person of interest.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2273228/?page=1

Here you go.

[E.J.H.]

That's because he's Dave's suspect, and Dave's alone.

The Mitre Square reference he makes is genuinely interesting, look up Sutton's obituary in the BMJ, and you'll find what can only be described as the only on paper explanation for how the killer did what he did in the near total darkness, so quickly that night.

Fascinating character Sutton, certainly ticks a few boxes.

Too bad you have to pay to read his obituary, but he's certainly a person of interest.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

That's weird nobody put him in the list of suspects

That's because he's Dave's suspect, and Dave's alone.

The Mitre Square reference he makes is genuinely interesting, look up Sutton's obituary in the BMJ, and you'll find what can only be described as the only on paper explanation for how the killer did what he did in the near total darkness, so quickly that night.

Fascinating character Sutton, certainly ticks a few boxes.

[DJA]

Re cuts to Eddowes' eyes.

Xanthelasma - Wikipedia

The serology of the Addison‐Gull syndrome - Reuben - 2003 - Hepatology - Wiley Online Library

Sir William Withey Gull, 1st Baronet | English physician | Britannica


Henry Gawen Sutton - Wikipedia

[Fisherman]

He had no intention on destroying her face do you mean? Could you elaborate? Sorry if I've if read you wrongly, I'd be interested to hear more.

I don´t regard the Kelly murder - or indeed any of the murders, regardless if they were Ripper murders or Thames Torso murders - as led on by a will to destroy. Nor do I necessarily see any hatred of women on the whole or of the various victims. If we ask ourselves "but surely it was just a fluke that Kellys eyes were not destroyed alongside the rest of the face?", all we have to do is to turn to Eddowes, where they eyelids, both of them are recorded to have been nicked, but where there is no record of the eyes having suffered any damage.

We have a killer who cuts carefully and meticulously when it comes to the eyes. If we dare to think that the same man also cut away the face from the 1873 torso victim, the picture becomes even clearer - here, the face was carefully removed from the underlying structures, even together with the eyelashes.

We don´t have the skull, it was never found. But my guess is that the eyes on it were left unharmed, because that was what this killer did.

Not that it touches on Kelly´s femur, though, so we may want to leave the topic for now.

[E.J.H.]

That's weird nobody put him in the list of suspects

[DJA]

Hi Scott,

If you mean by evidence and reasoning ..... yep!

Explains Nichols move next door to Eddowes,who then went hopping.

Bingo! First murder. Close to London Hospital.

Eddowes returns for a reward.

They knew each other ..... as Sutton's patients.

Look at the expertise evidenced in Mitre Square.

Also the instrument inferred by Dr Phillips in Chapman's Inquest.

Phillips knew Sutton. A map shows Sutton's route home from London Hospital. Took him past Phillip's house on his way home to Finsbury Square in the 1860/70s.

Even more OT is the link between Primrose Street and Hutchinson.

[Scott Nelson]

Same guy that treated Nichols and Eddowes for Rheumatic fever in 1867.

This would be quite remarkable, if true. Are you sure it isn't by inference?

[DJA]

TheTypeWriter

I think it would have been better to have had that close up image of Mary Kelly's face linked so it opened in another window rather than embedded in your post. Or at least a bigger gap to indicate what was coming. Scrolling by that earlier without warning was a bit much.

looney toons-scaredy cat - YouTube

[Simon Wood]

Hi DJA,

The Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549 is coming along slowly but surely.

It's much harder than I ever imagined.

Stay safe.

Simon

[DJA]

The jury visited the mortuary, Shoreditch Church.

The jury next moved on to Room 13 Millers Court, and then back to Shoreditch Town Hall.

Simon

There was considerable controversy over the inquest being held in Shoreditch and Dr.Macdonald's handling of it.
Only the quick burial by the sexton averted a second.

Henry Gawen Sutton was the Vestry Board's Medical Officer since Mary Ann Kelly was a young girl.
Same guy that treated Nichols and Eddowes for Rheumatic fever in 1867.
Incidentally, also willing to bet his reputation on the "From Hell" kidney according to Henry Smith.
Chest/TB expert.Chapman.
Expert on Stride's hemorrhagic lower lip.

Thomas Stevenson had also been on the board.

Sutton was best known as a pathologist at London Hospital,near Nichol's murder.

PS.How's the Prayer Book Revolution book coming along?

[TheTypeWriter]

Yup, Simon: "the eyes were the only vestiges of humanity". It seems obvious that they were there and open in that hideous mess the killer had produced. Which brings us to the question how they stayed untouched as the lawnmower moved over her face. I know Gareth Williams suggested that the eyes were set in cavities, and so they stayed unharmed for that reason. But if the killer was really intent on destroying Kelly´s face, I, d say that is not a very likely thing at all. And therefore, the conclusion must - oddly enough - be that the killer had no such intention.

Which is what I have been saying for the longest time now.

He had no intention on destroying her face do you mean? Could you elaborate? Sorry if I've if read you wrongly, I'd be interested to hear more.

[TheTypeWriter]

TheTypeWriter

I think it would have been better to have had that close up image of Mary Kelly's face linked so it opened in another window rather than embedded in your post. Or at least a bigger gap to indicate what was coming. Scrolling by that earlier without warning was a bit much.

My apologies about that, I'm still trying to figure out how to post things and where. I'm sorry if it startled you, I should have given warning. I've tried to delete it now but can't find an option to do so.

[Fisherman]

Hi Fisherman,

The jury visited the mortuary, Shoreditch Church.

PMG, 12th November 1888—

"Only her face was visible: the hideous and disembowled trunk was concealed by the dirty grey cloth, which had probably served to cover many a corpse. The face resembled one of those horrible wax anatomical specimens which may be seen in surgical shops. The eyes were the only vestiges of humanity; the rest was so scored and slashed that it was impossible to say where the flesh began and the cuts ended. And yet it was by no means a horrible sight. I have seen bodies in the Paris Morgue which looked far more repulsive."

The jury next moved on to Room 13 Millers Court, and then back to Shoreditch Town Hall.

Stay safe.

Simon

Yup, Simon: "the eyes were the only vestiges of humanity". It seems obvious that they were there and open in that hideous mess the killer had produced. Which brings us to the question how they stayed untouched as the lawnmower moved over her face. I know Gareth Williams suggested that the eyes were set in cavities, and so they stayed unharmed for that reason. But if the killer was really intent on destroying Kelly´s face, I, d say that is not a very likely thing at all. And therefore, the conclusion must - oddly enough - be that the killer had no such intention.

Which is what I have been saying for the longest time now.