Was Johnny Gill a Ripper Victim

[Errata]

its possible but i dont think so. different victimology, location and there is a credible suspect in the milkman barret.

One of the articles mentioned another boy being mutilated that weekend? Do we think that’s true, or a reporting error generated by two statements on the Gill murder?

[Abby Normal]

Has anyone researched whether Johnny Gill, an 8 year old boy living in Bradford in 1888, was a victim of Jack the Ripper? I would be interested to find out more about his death since he fits a pattern for ripper victims regarding the dates of the murders.

The data pattern may be no more than coincidence, but extrapolating from it I searched for a ripper like murder around 28th December 1888 and found the reference to Johnny Gill. He was horribly mutilated in a manner not unlike the ripper victims, Kelly particularly. Dr Phillips was called in to examine the body, such were the suspicions at the time, though it was his opinion that young master Gill was not a ripper victim.

I am having difficulty finding much information on the net. I understand Patricia Cornwall refers to this murder in her ripper book (which I have not read). I could start there and with a fictionalised novel on amazon, but if any one knows of a decent researcher who has already considered this question, that might be a better place to begin.

its possible but i dont think so. different victimology, location and there is a credible suspect in the milkman barret.

[Errata]

Thanks Errata

For those that were wondering, the data pattern I saw is below (and its so simple I'm sure others have noticed it before):

The murders of the canonical five were all at weekends but followed the pattern
Friday, Saturday, Sunday (double event), Friday

In addition the time between each murder was
1 week, 3 weeks (double event), 5 weeks then followed by the next day in the above day sequence.

So I looked at 7 weeks and the next day in the sequence and that was the date Johnny Gill's body was found (I can't yet find an actual time of death).

May all be coincidence, but an unusual one that this double sequence should hold across the canon.

He was taken the day before he was found. He was sledding maybe? But with a bunch of kids and didn’t come home. He was found in an outhouse the next morning, perhaps by a milkman. There are a couple of articles on it in the articles section, but no time of death, you are correct. If someone went to the trouble of writing a book about this particular boy, I would lay odds that they made a priority of getting that autopsy report. So it might be in the book.

[etenguy]

Someone named Kathryn McMaster wrote a book on the subject. I have not read it, it was merely the product of a Google search. It would not be super unusual for a serial killer, even a sexually motivated one to kill a child. Usually they begin with one, because they are incredibly easy to control, but not exclusively. Given the mutilations that were performed on this poor kid, I would say the notion that they were performed by "drunken lads" is incorrect. It would have taken almost the entire night to do that to boy, and drunkenness wears off. Also there is something of a truism that the face being hacked up would point to someone who knew the child, but serial killers and mutilators know people, so it might speak to a suspect pool. Without seeing the autopsy report I couldn't possibly guess if it was the ripper. This mutilation is... a lot. Like, Mary Kelly a lot, but with even more freedom and time. This might be what an escalation from Eddowes would look like, it also might be what an escalation of the Torso Killer would look like. If the kid was alive for any of this, (and I don't know either way) It's not the Ripper.

Thanks Errata

For those that were wondering, the data pattern I saw is below (and its so simple I'm sure others have noticed it before):

The murders of the canonical five were all at weekends but followed the pattern
Friday, Saturday, Sunday (double event), Friday

In addition the time between each murder was
1 week, 3 weeks (double event), 5 weeks then followed by the next day in the above day sequence.

So I looked at 7 weeks and the next day in the sequence and that was the date Johnny Gill's body was found (I can't yet find an actual time of death).

May all be coincidence, but an unusual one that this double sequence should hold across the canon.

[Errata]

Someone named Kathryn McMaster wrote a book on the subject. I have not read it, it was merely the product of a Google search. It would not be super unusual for a serial killer, even a sexually motivated one to kill a child. Usually they begin with one, because they are incredibly easy to control, but not exclusively. Given the mutilations that were performed on this poor kid, I would say the notion that they were performed by "drunken lads" is incorrect. It would have taken almost the entire night to do that to boy, and drunkenness wears off. Also there is something of a truism that the face being hacked up would point to someone who knew the child, but serial killers and mutilators know people, so it might speak to a suspect pool. Without seeing the autopsy report I couldn't possibly guess if it was the ripper. This mutilation is... a lot. Like, Mary Kelly a lot, but with even more freedom and time. This might be what an escalation from Eddowes would look like, it also might be what an escalation of the Torso Killer would look like. If the kid was alive for any of this, (and I don't know either way) It's not the Ripper.

[etenguy]

Has anyone researched whether Johnny Gill, an 8 year old boy living in Bradford in 1888, was a victim of Jack the Ripper? I would be interested to find out more about his death since he fits a pattern for ripper victims regarding the dates of the murders.

The data pattern may be no more than coincidence, but extrapolating from it I searched for a ripper like murder around 28th December 1888 and found the reference to Johnny Gill. He was horribly mutilated in a manner not unlike the ripper victims, Kelly particularly. Dr Phillips was called in to examine the body, such were the suspicions at the time, though it was his opinion that young master Gill was not a ripper victim.

I am having difficulty finding much information on the net. I understand Patricia Cornwall refers to this murder in her ripper book (which I have not read). I could start there and with a fictionalised novel on amazon, but if any one knows of a decent researcher who has already considered this question, that might be a better place to begin.