Was Johnny Gill a Ripper Victim

[Errata]

Ive always felt this murder was one of 2 things....the killer of Whitechapel working out of town, or proof positive that at least 2 men capable of soulless violent acts were around at the same period in time. I lean towards the second.

The packaging of the corpse and the boots are somewhat reminiscent of the Torso Killer I think.

[etenguy]

I think that something prevented him, or them, from committing murders on Mon, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and that the fact they are all done at night is also likely related to that "something". I should add that for me the actual Rippers' tally is 2, perhaps 3, so I don't lump all of these murders under the same blanket, nor can they all be explained with "one sweep of the knife".

Cheers Michael - I guess if you don't go with the C5 the pattern is meaningless.

[Michael W Richards]

I think that something prevented him, or them, from committing murders on Mon, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and that the fact they are all done at night is also likely related to that "something". I should add that for me the actual Rippers' tally is 2, perhaps 3, so I don't lump all of these murders under the same blanket, nor can they all be explained with "one sweep of the knife".

[etenguy]

I saw your earlier posts on the time lapses between killings, for me, whether this boy was killed on a weekend or day connected to the weekend might be more revealing about the habits of this Jack fellow. I believe its too coincidental that the Canonical Victims all followed that same pattern.

His body was found at just after 7.30 on a Saturday morning, but the boy went missing on Thursday. I'm struggling to find an estimate of the date/time of death. It would appear the poor lad was murdered elsewhere and his body transferred to where it was found, so the murderer either killed him earlier but did not want him found until Saturday, or the body was transferred not long after being killed. I don't know yet - hopefully more information is within the article dr strange posted.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it's too coincidental' - does that imply you think it was a deliberate pattern? Whatever is concluded about John Gill, I wonder if the pattern helps to point to a suspect - were there jobs that followed a similar pattern of time off for example?

[Michael W Richards]

Thanks Michael - Does the pattern of timings for JtR attacks influence you in any way?

I saw your earlier posts on the time lapses between killings, for me, whether this boy was killed on a weekend or day connected to the weekend might be more revealing about the habits of this Jack fellow. I believe its too coincidental that the Canonical Victims all followed that same pattern.

[etenguy]

There we probably five or six active at the same time. Only the other made the effort to conceal/dispose of the bodies of their victims. I would imagine there were some that were far more prolific in terms of numbers, who for whatever reason were never investigated by the police or targeted people who were not missed.

Tristan

Hi Tristan

Much has been made in other threads of the rare occurence of mutilators. Surely violent people and severe violence was not rare in victorian England, but people who mutilate to this extent must (hopefully) be quite rare.

[etenguy]

Ive always felt this murder was one of 2 things....the killer of Whitechapel working out of town, or proof positive that at least 2 men capable of soulless violent acts were around at the same period in time. I lean towards the second.

Thanks Michael - Does the pattern of timings for JtR attacks influence you in any way?

[etenguy]

Thank you Dr Strange - I am having some trouble reading the attachments, but slowly making my way through them - very interesting.

[Losmandris]

Ive always felt this murder was one of 2 things....the killer of Whitechapel working out of town, or proof positive that at least 2 men capable of soulless violent acts were around at the same period in time. I lean towards the second.

There we probably five or six active at the same time. Only the other made the effort to conceal/dispose of the bodies of their victims. I would imagine there were some that were far more prolific in terms of numbers, who for whatever reason were never investigated by the police or targeted people who were not missed.

Tristan

[Michael W Richards]

Ive always felt this murder was one of 2 things....the killer of Whitechapel working out of town, or proof positive that at least 2 men capable of soulless violent acts were around at the same period in time. I lean towards the second.

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