Did Jack only kill 3?

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Maria. Thanks. Sure, any time.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Thanks Maria and Lynn for the translation. That makes sense coming directly after the reporter/correspondent mentioning Le Grand also once ran a gambling hell. Maria, regarding Pasquier, yes, she brought a charge at the magistrates court claiming she said she had been assaulted by a man paid to do the job, again in a kind of 'turf war.'.

It is possible that Le Grand may have been trading on some kind of underground rumour that he was really the criminal Ivan Siscovitch alias Wallace alias Grandy. The 1891 newspapers would print this rumour at the time of his blackmail trial as has been discussed many times. As Wallace, Siscovitch had been a part of the 1870s London murder of a Mrs Chapman (an alias and criminal past herself if I remember rightly) in her own home and had escaped abroad shortly after the murder.

I best shut up now as this is way off topic.

[mariab]

Maria, regarding Pasquier, yes, she brought a charge at the magistrates court claiming she said she had been assaulted by a man paid to do the job, again in a kind of 'turf war.'.

I hear that she was a madam, not a simple prostitute. Any chance that the other man who attacked her was already related to Le Grand and Demay?

I remember your posting on Siscovitch alias Grand in the Le Grand thread and on JTRForums. The fact that his own murder victim used the con-name Chapman further complicates the references! (If someone were looking for a Grand link to Annie Chapman, lol.)

[Debra A]

I hear that she was a madam, not a simple prostitute. Any chance that the other man who attacked her was already related to Le Grand and Demay?

She was originally a kept woman ( a man named Dubois or Durrant I believe) then became a prostitute on Regent St, Portland Place etc. as far as I recall.

[Tom_Wescott]

She was originally a kept woman ( a man named Dubois or Durrant I believe)

Or Druitt.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Trevor Marriott]

The suspect list should be torn up, but no we are constantly subjected to the likes of Aaron Kosminski and others being publicly flogged to death as being prime suspects.....

Feingenbaum

Monty

Well at least he did murder someone in ripper like fashion and was known to carry a long bladed knife, which are two very important components which go to make a prime suspect profile.

Not to mention that he was a soldier and would no how to cut a persons throat with a knife.

[Debra A]

Well at least he did murder someone in ripper like fashion and was known to carry a long bladed knife, which are two very important components which go to make a prime suspect profile.

Ripper-like? I thought there was no Ripper, Trevor?
Plus, cut throat murders without mutilation were commonplace...weren't they?

[Debra A]

Or Druitt.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

It's pronounced Vaseline!

[Monty]

Well at least he did murder someone in ripper like fashion and was known to carry a long bladed knife, which are two very important components which go to make a prime suspect profile.

Was he named by two leading contemporary Police Officials involved in the case and known to be in the area at the time?

As for carrying a knife, so was Kosminski...as the attack on his sister indicates.


Monty

[mariab]

What's up with all these French names (Pasquier/Dubois/Durrant/Demay/Le Grand)? Any hints if Pasquier and her pimp were real French, like Demay? And it looks like Le Grand won the pimp war against Dubois/Durrant at the Magistrates.

Or Druitt.

Lol. Or Deeming.

PS.:

As for carrying a knife, so was Kosminski

Hell, I'm carrying a knife. But wanna be a kept woman, like Pasquier. :-)

[Tom_Wescott]

With Regards to Project Turdburger

Hi Trevor,

You said Mike Richards knows firsthand what it's like to suffer wrath when he challenges those who are defending suspects. What researcher/suspect are you referring to, because I don't recall once seeing Mike offer any sort of evidence against any suspect, ever, that would relieve any suspicion. I also can't recall him suffering any wrath for his efforts.

I only mention this because you seem to be quite mistaken in thinking you and Mike are of like minds and situations.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Debra A]

What's up with all these French names (Pasquier/Dubois/Durrant/Demay/Le Grand)? Any hints if Pasquier and her pimp were real French, like Demay? And it looks like Le Grand won the pimp war against Dubois/Durrant at the Magistrates.

Lol. Or Deeming.

It was one of the French quarters of London, perhaps?

[mariab]

It was one of the French quarters of London, perhaps?

Wow, that's an idea. Haven't yet checked where exactly Portland Place was located in Victorian West London (I just know today's Regent Street), but was planning on going look it all up next spring.

I thought Mike Richards/AKA Perry Mason suspected the IWEC people to have killed Stride. (With no “absolute proof“, goes without saying.) :-)

Some dont want to accept the fact that there is no evidence as you have pointed out. Some keep playing the history card. Well isnt it right that what is historically written is there to be challenged in exactly the same way as the police case is with regards to the Ripper.

There IS evidence allright, only it's circumstantial and incomplete, requiring intense further research and interpretations. Not disagreeing that what has been historically written also requires to be challenged/re-interpeted.

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

A gentle reminder. There is not a scrap of evidence against Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, as being capable of, let alone actually murdering anyone.
The trundling out of the MacNaghten three (who were only mentioned as 'more likely than Cutbush') to be the killer is a misnomer. One feeble minded Polish Jew plucked from obscurity with a background of felonious dog walking and public masturbation, one barrister and part time teacher with no police record of any kind, ever- plucked from an unprovable story given in private OPINION only, a theif who was nowhere near Whitechapel at the time - gives a basic insight into what level the true evaluation of current suspect hunting is at. Although I dont see Feiginbaum as a multi murderer either, it must be conceded that he was a killer and also that Trevor has stated publically he may have only been responsible for one or two of the murders( I hope I am correct here Trevor)
So whilst I see holes everywhere in these supposed suspects, it has to be said that the MacNagthen three are very weak examples, for a man supposedly telling us he knew what was really going on he presented us with a bag of marbles intended to play bowls with.

Just my opinion

best wishes

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

Was he named by two leading contemporary Police Officials involved in the case and known to be in the area at the time?

As for carrying a knife, so was Kosminski...as the attack on his sister indicates.


Monty

Where is your source to prove this knife incident actually took place and that it brought him to the notice of the police ?

I dont wish to start these arguments off again and I do not intent to become embroiled in these issues which have all been vigoroulsy debated to death. All I will say is that there is not one scrap of evidence which points to Aaron Kosminski being a suspect let alone a prime suspect which is my point.

The facts you refer to relate to an unknown male who was called Kosminski which all started off in a document which has now proved to be unreliable and unsafe, so question marks must hang over the full contents of that document. Along with question marks over the marginalia which again i am not going to dig up again but wait with interest to read the upcoming article on this in the next issue of ripperolgist.