Did Jack only kill 3?

[Debra A]

Hello all,

A gentle reminder. There is not a scrap of evidence against Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, as being capable of, let alone actually murdering anyone.
The trundling out of the MacNaghten three (who were only mentioned as 'more likely than Cutbush') to be the killer is a misnomer. One feeble minded Polish Jew plucked from obscurity with a background of felonious dog walking and public masturbation, one barrister and part time teacher with no police record of any kind, ever- plucked from an unprovable story given in private OPINION only, a theif who was nowhere near Whitechapel at the time - gives a basic insight into what level the true evaluation of current suspect hunting is at. Although I dont see Feiginbaum as a multi murderer either, it must be conceded that he was a killer and also that Trevor has stated publically he may have only been responsible for one or two of the murders( I hope I am correct here Trevor)
So whilst I see holes everywhere in these supposed suspects, it has to be said that the MacNagthen three are very weak examples, for a man supposedly telling us he knew what was really going on he presented us with a bag of marbles intended to play bowls with.

Just my opinion

best wishes

Phil

But then- why rule out Cutbush? -just on Macnaghten's say so?
What is it that people find so threatening about some of us wanting to treat the police involved in the original investigation as if they might have known a thing or two lost to us now? Just in case? Rightly or wrongly, they had opinions.What if one of them was right?

[Monty]

Sorry Phil,

Slightly misleading that.

As far as we are aware there is no evidence against the Macnaghten 3 being murders, that must be noted.

Feigenbaum is yet another killer picked out of the ether and slotted in as Jack. Just because he has killed is no basis to state he is the the killer.

If we are condem on track record then we must include numerous other murders who have killed in similar fashion.

Anderson and Swanson were in a better position to comment than you and I ever will be. Unless you were party to the information they were I fail to see how you can make such a claim with any certainty.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Ripper-like? I thought there was no Ripper, Trevor?
Plus, cut throat murders without mutilation were commonplace...weren't they?

Clearly there wasnt otherwise you would have found him all the time you spending looking through records.

You also forget the ripper moniker has become synonymous with serial killers who cut their victims throats and mutilate their bodies.

[Trevor Marriott]

But then- why rule out Cutbush? -just on Macnaghten's say so?
What is it that people find so threatening about some of us wanting to treat the police involved in the original investigation as if they might have known a thing or two lost to us now? Just in case? Rightly or wrongly, they had opinions.What if one of them was right?

Did the police ever suspect Cutbush of being involved in the murders ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Sorry Phil,

Slightly misleading that.

As far as we are aware there is no evidence against the Macnaghten 3 being murders, that must be noted.

Feigenbaum is yet another killer picked out of the ether and slotted in as Jack. Just because he has killed is no basis to state he is the the killer.

If we are condem on track record then we must include numerous other murders who have killed in similar fashion.

Anderson and Swanson were in a better position to comment than you and I ever will be. Unless you were party to the information they were I fail to see how you can make such a claim with any certainty.

Monty

and where is the corroboration for what Anderson wrote and what Swanson purportedly wrote in the marginalia.

Please dont say they corroborate each other beacuse they dont. At best swanson corroborates what is in the MM and as stated that is unreliable and unsafe.

[Debra A]

Clearly there wasnt otherwise you would have found him all the time you spending looking through records.

You also forget the ripper moniker has become synonymous with serial killers who cut their victims throats and mutilate their bodies.

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,Trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

[Monty]

and where is the corroboration for what Anderson wrote and what Swanson purportedly wrote in the marginalia.

Please dont say they corroborate each other beacuse they dont.

How don't they?

Monty

[Debra A]

Did the police ever suspect Cutbush of being involved in the murders ?

Yes.It was mentioned at his 1891 trial and Inspector Race suspected him.

[Monty]

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,Trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

I am not getting personal there are enough smart arses on here as it is without the need for a female to join the group.

[Trevor Marriott]

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

Any evidence is better than none

[Debra A]

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

ironic eh? Neil.

[Phil Carter]

But then- why rule out Cutbush? -just on Macnaghten's say so?
What is it that people find so threatening about some of us wanting to treat the police involved in the original investigation as if they might have known a thing or two lost to us now? Just in case? Rightly or wrongly, they had opinions.What if one of them was right?

Hello Debs,

I can only speak for myself- I do not 'feel threatened' by anyone wanting to do anything.
The problem is that by keeping 3 dead ducks in the water, the riverbanks get filled with bystanders making claims that the ducks still live and breathe.

What those opinions were show their true value when given the third degree. 'Some people' as you put it, for some unknown reason want to keep these weak suspect examples in the spotlight. Using your terminology (not mine), it seems that 'some people' feel 'threatened' if the likes of Kosminski and Druitt are dismissed. Are they worried that the genre will fold up and die if it happens? Because it won't. It will simply move on.

Best wishes

Phil

[m_w_r]

I am not getting personal there are enough smart arses on here as it is without the need for a female to join the group.

Well, there's that enlightened attitude again.

Regards,

Mark

[mariab]

A gentle reminder. There is not a scrap of evidence against Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, as being capable of, let alone actually murdering anyone. The trundling out of the MacNaghten three
({...} were only mentioned as 'more likely than Cutbush') to be the killer

Correct, though both Kozminski and Ostrog are on record for having attacked people with a knife or gun. Still, their having been mentioned in the MM (even if in a misleading manner) automatically makes them impossible to abandon in a historical discussion of the Whitechapel murders. Not as actual suspects, but as historically considered suspects, in the same capacity as further misleads such as Cream, Klosowski/Chapman, even D'Onston, perhaps Deeming. In other words, people who have been named or considered by the police, even briefly. Here I'm obviously referring not to actual evidence for them being good suspects, but to historical consideration as brought up by Don Souden in his 2 posts earlier on this thread. I'm sure this nuance between plausible suspects and historical suspects has been discussed ad infinitum in older threads, in fact I remember several such discussions in the 2 years I've been active here. But Ripperology is for the most part remaining circular, not (as claimed by some posters here) due to suspectology per se, but to some people clinging to the most outlandish suggestions, both in suspectology and in improbable scenarios, as illustrated perfectly on this thread.

without the need for a female to join the group.

Cuz this is such a close-knit group, everyone agreeing, and Debra Arif is, well, negligible to Ripperology.