Did Jack only kill 3?

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Folks,

Just so you know Lynn Im not proposing the idea as anything more than discussion fodder, but in one fell swoop it would address the fact we can find no accurate history of Mary Jane Kelly to this day....(note that in response to your post DrHopper),...and why that body was so "over the top" mutilated.

The woman may well have been related to or known by important, controversial people and for the sake of anonymity and perhaps safety she used aliases. A good actress will always have a back story for her character.

The definitive identification of those remains in situ would be extremely difficult in my opinion, on both intellectual and emotional levels, and in situ, her eyes are not visible at all...one of only 2 features her ex live-in boyfriend could recognize.

Who would it be in that bed, who killed her and chopped her up, and how did they match or create the features Barnett would recognize as Marys?

Thats for discussion fodder. I havent figured those out.

Best regards,

Mike R

[curious]

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Whitechapel ?[/QUOTE]

Well, according to another thread, Barnett was no where to be found for, what, about 10 years?

Since I have not done the research myself, I can not say with any degree of personal knowledge, but a recent discussion noted that he "disappeared" from all records for several years.

When I stop washing down walls and get the birdies back in their clean houses, perhaps I can locate that discussion and the names of the researchers for you.

curious

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks. I think you see the same problem then.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
I really would like some clarification on the problem you see here.

Thanks,

[curious]

Who would it be in that bed, who killed her and chopped her up, and how did they match or create the features Barnett would recognize as Marys?

Best regards,

Mike R

so, you don't see Barnett as being in the know?

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Doc H

The name Maria Jeanette is her baptismal name given to her at her first baptism, and subsequently used in all official dealings with the Catholic Church - her burial for example. All good Catholics have a baptismal name, and it is usually a Latinised version of the individual's normal name, which is, in this case, Mary Jane.

Pure surmise I'm afraid...and Marie Jeanette is French rather than Latin...Maria Joanna or Maria Johanna is what I'd expect to see were this the case...

Sorry!

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

I have considered this and it bespeaks such an evil my mind can not even contemplate it.

For that to have happened, the woman we know as Mary would have been complaisant in the murder and destruction of another woman. However, that could explain the complete destruction of the body. People who had known the "real Mary" might have recognized her legs and arms.

For this scenario to have happened, Joe Barnett had to have covered for her. Which I have considered would also explain why people kept seeing Mary after her supposed death.

However, this has just occurred to me, literally as I was typing --- that might explain why Joe Barnett vanished for ?what was it? a decade? Did he and Mary go somewhere together? Was he also in danger?

As I said, this theory requires evil that I can't begin to comprehend and even my active imagination can't go there.

But contemplate the IRA atrocities of the 70s and 80s - were these in reality no better/worse, or less/more likely? The "Irish Question" has, over the years, raised passions you really wouldn't believe...the erasure of MJK as an identifiable person, coupled with the absence of identifiable personal history, has always puzzled...and this may well be a possible reason...

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

problem

Hello Velma. Thanks. The problem is her hanging about and being recognised. it could undo all the good done.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

multiplying

Hello Dr. Well, if we shave with Ockham's Razor, we won't be multiplying entities.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Whitechapel

Hello Ruby. Wouldn't have his address perchance?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

switch off

Hello Mike. Thanks. No, I am not even proposing a "switch" theory at all, for the reason that, if it had happened, being spotted by Mrs. Maxwell et al would surely have spoiled it.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks. The problem is her hanging about and being recognised. it could undo all the good done.

Cheers.
LC

ah, I wasn't sure what you were talking about.

Thanks, Lynn. but no, I think we see different problems.

Let's say this scenario was real, then perhaps the body really wasn't killed until the morning -- say it was being worked on during the time she was out and about.

The exact time of death for the body in Miller's Court has always been controversial.

[lynn cates]

political passion

Hello Dave.

"But contemplate the IRA atrocities of the 70s and 80s - were these in reality no better/worse, or less/more likely? The "Irish Question" has, over the years, raised passions you really wouldn't believe...the erasure of MJK as an identifiable person, coupled with the absence of identifiable personal history, has always puzzled...and this may well be a possible reason"

PRECISELY!

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

But contemplate the IRA atrocities of the 70s and 80s - were these in reality no better/worse, or less/more likely? The "Irish Question" has, over the years, raised passions you really wouldn't believe...the erasure of MJK as an identifiable person, coupled with the absence of identifiable personal history, has always puzzled...and this may well be a possible reason...

All the best

Dave

Well, this scenario does seem to explain some things that appear unexplainable.

And I do recognize that atrocities did and do take place every day.

I just prefer not to invite them into my head.

[lynn cates]

plot

Hello Velma. Thanks.

"Unless the body really wasn't killed until the morning -- say it was being worked on during the time she was out and about."

But surely, if there were a substitution plot, Mary would have been in on it? And so it would behoove her to lie low and get out of Spitalfields.

"The exact time of death for the body in Miller's Court has always been controversial."

Agreed.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello Mike. Thanks. No, I am not even proposing a "switch" theory at all, for the reason that, if it had happened, being spotted by Mrs. Maxwell et al would surely have spoiled it.

Cheers.
LC

OK, I think you are proposing that the woman known as MJK was the body found in Miller's Court?

So, why the severe mutilation?

or exactly how do you envision things playing out?

Thx,