Who is the most Canonial non-Canonical? POLL

[sdreid]

Although I doubt that Smith was actually attacked by a gang, that doesn't preclude the possibility that she was and that the perpetrator of the mortal wound was Jack as a member of that band. He would not be the only serial killer to commit his first murder as part of a gang before striking out on his own.

[Roy Corduroy]

Stan, as my vote indicates, I agree with you in exploring the possibility she was attacked by the serial killer. This was a shocking crime commited at night upon one of the unfortunates of the rookeries.

Roy

[ditlew]

Hi DVV,

but we know she lied to Mary Russell and Annie Lee by omission.

How do we know that? I'm not gonna be satisfied by a speculation, 'know' indicates a fact.

Wikipedia about 'lying by omission' : One lies by omission by omitting an important fact, deliberately leaving another person with a misconception.


Best Regards,
Ditlew

[DVV]

How do we know that?
Ditlew

From the inquest, Ditlew.
Check the Sourcebook, p 5:

"Smith, who seemed unwilling to go into details, did not describe the men nor give any further account of the occurrence to witness [Mary Russell]."
She actually gave more details to the doctor.
Worth giving it a thought, no ?

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Ance once again, she was recorded as a married woman, working as a charwoman.

Which is neither an indication, nor an evidence, but a proof that Smith and/or her friend(s) have hided to the hospital the fact that she was a widow supporting herself by prostitution.

Perhaps Sox, who said Smith didn't lie and had no reason to do so, will provide us with an unknown Hospital document registering Smith as an infortunate widow.

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

Hi DVV,

She actually gave more details to the doctor.

And THAT is how you conclude that she was lying in omission?! Could she e.g. just have been in extreme pain and just wanted to be left alone?? I can see multible possibilities for her to tell the doctor more details than the girls.

I have been a witness myself to a crime, and I for one can tell you that the first statement I made to those arround me was quite shorter and less detailed than the one I gave the police, once I had had a chance to settle down. We know notthing about her lying in omission. It is pure speculation and not even a good one if I may say so.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[ditlew]

DVV,

Ance once again, she was recorded as a married woman, working as a charwoman.

Which is neither an indication, nor an evidence, but a proof that Smith and/or her friend(s) have hided to the hospital the fact that she was a widow supporting herself by prostitution.

You go in circles, that argument has already been countered in an earlier post by myself.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[DVV]

It hasn't been countered, Ditlew. It can't be.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

And THAT is how you conclude that she was lying in omission?! Could she e.g. just have been in extreme pain and just wanted to be left alone?? Ditlew

Strange argument...

Is it more painful to articulate "widow" than "married woman" ?

Would they have asked her details about her sad fall into prostitution before taking care of her health ?

Amitiés,
David

[Uncle Jack]

Wasn't it stated somewhere (can't remember where, maybe someone more in the know can tell) that the spot where Emma claimed she was attacked had a police officer on the spot or something along those lines, at the time Emma claimed the attack took place? It was either a P.C or maybe a watchman or something.

[ditlew]

DVV,

Strange argument...

Is it more painful to articulate "widow" than "married woman" ?

Would they have asked her details about her sad fall into prostitution before taking care of her health ?

You misquote me and hence are lying? The remark you quote were regarding her talk with the women NOT the doctor, come on.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[ditlew]

DVV,

.. plus as you have just pointed out yourself, we don't know who inlisted her. It might have been her friends.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[DVV]

You misquote me and hence are lying? The remark you quote were regarding her talk with the women NOT the doctor, come on.

Ditlew

Indeed, that was the very point. She "omitted" more facts to her friends...that's a fact. And it answers your objection. As you well understand, since I'm of opinion she lied, it makes no difference to me.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

DVV,

.. plus as you have just pointed out yourself, we don't know who inlisted her. It might have been her friends.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

Once again, it makes no difference to me.
Mary Russell was a deputy lodger, whose lodging house was used by prostitutes.
Both Emma's story and the Hospital records (informed by Emma and/or Mary) hide the fact that she was a prostitute.

What can I say more ?

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

DVV,

Indeed, that was the very point. She "omitted" more facts to her friends...that's a fact. And it answers your objection. As you well understand, since I'm of opinion she lied, it makes no difference to me.

No no, you misquoted me. Took something I had said, put it into another contex and claimed it had a different meaning. THAT is an example of lying, and had I not corrected you, people who had only seen your post, would have thought wrong of me.

What Emma did was something completely different, and one can only claim that she was lying by speculating about what took place and what her motivations was.

Best Regards,
Ditlew