Alleged photo of one of the victims found at Clapham

[Mike Covell]

I remember Frankie Fraser describing the C5 as "Brasses", which I assume is cockney slang for "lasses"

Other terms relate to,
Being angry= Brassed off
Being cold= Brass monkey

I have not heard it used in conjunction with having "being turned on" but I lead a sheltered life

[sdreid]

"The Brass" are military officers here.

[joelhall]

I remember Frankie Fraser describing the C5 as "Brasses", which I assume is cockney slang for "lasses"

Other terms relate to,
Being angry= Brassed off
Being cold= Brass monkey

I have not heard it used in conjunction with having "being turned on" but I lead a sheltered life

only if you pronounce it 'larssis'

[Simon Owen]

I remember Frankie Fraser describing the C5 as "Brasses", which I assume is cockney slang for "lasses"

Other terms relate to,
Being angry= Brassed off
Being cold= Brass monkey

I have not heard it used in conjunction with having "being turned on" but I lead a sheltered life

' Brass ' is a slang term for a prostitute.

' Brass Nail ' = Cockney rhyming slang for ' tail ' , which is slang for vagina ( as in ' chasing tail ' = ' trying to get a piece of ass ' essentially).

[Mike Covell]

"Top Brass" are military officers here too, I suppose, the "Top Brass" would stand to attention!

[Sam Flynn]

I remember Frankie Fraser describing the C5 as "Brasses"

Did he say "brassic", perchance, Mike? From "boracic lint" = "skint", rhyming slang for poor or destitute, and a rather common expression down London way.

[Simon Owen]

' Brass ' is also a slang term for money , which it might mean here.

A translation might go something like this :

' I kissed the victim 20 times and tried to get her to have sex with me , but I didn't have any money , so she kissed me goodbye and she came to a terrible end , and all this was on the eve of her death '.

[joelhall]

brass eye was a bloody good tv series

[Simon Owen]

Did he say "brassic", perchance, Mike? From "boracic lint" = "skint", rhyming slang for poor or destitute, and a rather common expression down London way.

Whoo ! ' Brass ' is a slang term for a prostitute , from ' brass nail ' for ' tail '. Look it up if you don't believe me !

http://www.londonslang.com/db/b/

[Sam Flynn]

Whoo ! ' Brass ' is a slang term for a prostitute , from ' brass nail ' for ' tail '. Look it up if you don't believe me !

I believe you, Simon. It's just that I was questioning not "brass" but "brasses" - which may have been a mishearing of "brassic". This would have been a good way to describe a down-at-heel unfortunate in the Late Victorian East End - even if the website you pointed to can't spell "boracic lint" properly That said, "brass nail" is probably what Frankie Fraser meant after all, so thanks for pointing it out.

As to "brass" in the newspaper cutting - it definitely refers to money.

[Mike Covell]

Did he say "brassic", perchance, Mike? From "boracic lint" = "skint", rhyming slang for poor or destitute, and a rather common expression down London way.

It was "Brasses", I remember, one of his quotes was "Brasses, were literally tuppeny uprights"

[Mike Covell]

Taken from "Mad Franks London" with Frankie Fraser and James Morton. The quote appears on page 177 when he introduces "JTR" to his readers.

Interstingly, "Mad Frank" favoured the masonic plot and Maybrick!

[Sam Flynn]

The quote appears on page 177 when he introduces "JTR" to his readers.

Ah - I didn't twig that you had a written quote in mind, Mike. I thought you might have heard Mad "Frank" on the telly or radio - during one of his many religious broadcasts, probably.

[sdreid]

I guess "eve" here is the diminutive of evening but when I first read it I took it to mean the day before, like Christmas Eve.

[Simon Owen]

I guess "eve" here is the diminutive of evening but when I first read it I took it to mean the day before, like Christmas Eve.

It could also mean ' the period in time before her death ' or ' just before her death ' if used colloquially.

So it could mean the day before , evening before ( pre-midnight ) , evening before ( post-midnight ) or just before her death !

I think you are probably right though Stan , I think it probably refers to the evening before.