A Killer Other Than the B.S. Man?

[lynn cates]

critical

Hello CD.

"I am constantly amazed how everything that Schwartz said or did is seen in a negative light."

I would have said, In a critical light. And that because of the anomalies with his testimony.

Cheers.
LC

[John G]

Considering Tom's suggestion that Eagle may have been BS man: wouldn't Stride subsequently be very reluctant to go into the Yard, i.e. after a significant altercation with a man, whom she must surely have realized was associated with the club? Especially in the immediate aftermath of the assault?

And then there's the matter of Schwartz's evidence. Isn't it highly likely that, as a local man, he would have clearly recognized Eagle? And if so, would he have been so alarmed by what he witnessed? Surely he would have assumed that Eagle was just trying to move on an undesirable.

[Harry D]

I'm probably aping on someone else's idea in this thread, but for a minute let's say that the man PC Smith saw with Stride was one of the club members. Not saying this guy was her murderer, but if the club knew he was the last man seen with the victim shortly before her death this would cast suspicion on the socialists. Therefore they enlist Schwartz to come up with another suspect - a racist brute tussling with Stride in the street who definitely wasn't a Jew, because the only word out of his mouth was an anti-semitic expletive.

[John G]

I'm probably aping on someone else's idea in this thread, but for a minute let's say that the man PC Smith saw with Stride was one of the club members. Not saying this guy was her murderer, but if the club knew he was the last man seen with the victim shortly before her death this would cast suspicion on the socialists. Therefore they enlist Schwartz to come up with another suspect - a racist brute tussling with Stride in the street who definitely wasn't a Jew, because the only word out of his mouth was an anti-semitic expletive.

Hello Harry,

I think PC Smith's evidence has been seriously undervalued. Thus, he mentioned Stride wearing a flower; Schwartz didn't. And, as a police officer, you would expect him to be more observant than Schwartz.

Neither can their two accounts be easily reconciled. This was actually alluded to in the official report: "It will be observed that allowing for differences of opinion between the PC and Schwartz as the apparent age and height of the man each saw with the woman whose body they both identified there are serious differences in the description of dress..." And of course, PC Smith's man had a newspaper parcel in his hand, whereas BS man didn't.

The police initially seemed to favour Schwartz's account because his was a latter sighting. However, it as also been argued that Schwartz must have seen the killer, because it would be unlikely that there would have been time for Stride to have met another man. But doesn't this also pose difficulties for Schwartz's evidence? The fact that she encounters BS man within, say, ten minutes of being seen with Smith's suspect, who has apparently disappeared.

[DJA]

haemophilia . There was a male relative of hers who posted once as far as I know. Would have been interesting to know if there was a family history of it.

Suspect the term is "hemorrhagic".

Surmise that is what the "Catechu"s were for.

Hereditary.

[curious4]

Cachous

Hello DJA

No, she probably didn't know she had it if she did. Only a problem during surgery and c-sections.

https://www.french-candy.com/refreshing-pastilles/mountain-secret-cachou-sans-sucre-3760157740033-11.html

Used mainly for digestive problems - and to sweeten the breath presumably.

theelusivebobbin.blogspot.in/2015/03/victorian-vanities-mouth-pastilles.html?m=1

Best wishes
C4

[DJA]

Considering Tom's suggestion that Eagle may have been BS man: wouldn't Stride subsequently be very reluctant to go into the Yard, i.e. after a significant altercation with a man, whom she must surely have realized was associated with the club? Especially in the immediate aftermath of the assault?

And then there's the matter of Schwartz's evidence. Isn't it highly likely that, as a local man, he would have clearly recognized Eagle? And if so, would he have been so alarmed by what he witnessed? Surely he would have assumed that Eagle was just trying to move on an undesirable.

Can only surmise that by BS man,we are referring to "broad shoulder" and not something else.

Anyone reckon Eagle had broad shoulders?

Police obviously didn't.

[John G]

I agree DJA. I was initially attracted to Tom's suggestion that BS man was Eagle but, after further consideration, I think it an unlikely proposition. As a local man there must be a very good chance that Schwartz would have recognized Eagle; and even if he didn't, he would surely have encountered him at a later date and reported the sighting to the police.

That means we have to assume a conspiracy between Eagle and Schwartz. However, not only would that have been risky surely, in this scenario, Eagle would have persuaded Schwartz not to come forward at all. There would have been no reason to "invent" BS man as a suspect, and no reason to take the risk of Schwartz being caught out during a police interrogation.

[pinkmoon]

Mrs long/Darrell received the sum of 80 quid when she gave her account of what she saw shortly before Chapman was slain.it would have been well known in the area by the time of the stride murder that the press pay well for such stories it is possible that schwartz made his story up hoping it gets to the ears of the press.

[Wickerman]

Mrs long/Darrell received the sum of 80 quid when she gave her account of what she saw shortly before Chapman was slain.

Hi PM.

Where did you get this from?

[pinkmoon]

Hi PM.

Where did you get this from?

I think I read it in Mr sudgens excellent book some years ago I might be wrong though.

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
In the year 2000, £80 was equiv to £3O.610, In 1888, so she must have had very exciting information..HA
Regards Richard.

[richardnunweek]

Hi,,
That figure does read funny, I think I will check it...
Richard

[John G]

£80! During the1880s a servant might earn as little as £20 per year. Even a middle class clerk's income would be only around £50 per annum.

For a working class woman like Mrs Long £80 would be an enormous sum-she could probably have retired on that income!

If that was the price for information I'm not surprised so many "witnesses" came forward.

[pinkmoon]

Like I said I might be wrong we are allowed to make mistakes as the dalek said climbing of the dustbin and the hedgehog climbing of the scrubbing brush.