How Strong Did Liz Stride's Killer Need To Be?

[lynn cates]

yes

Hello Tom.

"The cut followed the line of her scarf, even nicking it, which means the scarf must have been pulled tight at the moment her throat was cut."

Absolutely. There is no other way.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

How easy do you think it is to choke someone to death with a thin scarf?

Very easy. If the scarf truly was silk it is thin and strong. Much like using a pair of womens nylons, which as you should know is a common improvisation for a garrott.

Much easier to use your hands.

But using the hands requires both strength & stamina, holding a silk scarf/garrot only requires moderate strength.
A woman could have killed Stride using this method.

And again I point out that Stride's face and neck were free from scratch marks and no blood or flesh noted under her nails. Cachous still in her hands.

All of which argues against the killer using his hands.
However, the question as to why Stride never fought back (ie; no evidence that she did), applies equally to both methods of dispatch.

Yes, it was pulled tight on the left side, which means the force was pulling up from the right side.

Gotcha!

[lynn cates]

disparity

Hello Jon.

"Absolutely, and given the perceived M.O. with previous victims, this issue is most important."

It is indeed. Even more so given the disparity with the first two.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

cachous

Hello Tom.

"Cachous still in her hands."

Right. So perhaps not unconscious after all?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

knot sure

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
Appreciate your participation and input.

Why would the knot have migrated? If the scarf was pulled tight from the right, would not the knot have bit into her neck and just have pulled tighter?

Also, could the use of a ligature not have been the killer improving his methods? Perhaps hand suffocation took too long and was more difficult. Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled? Maybe the killer simply researched a better way -- not sure how since he most likely did not have access to the Internet.

Velma

[lynn cates]

struggle

Hello Velma. Thanks.

It would depend on whether he pulled a tail. Else, the knot would remain where Liz initially fixed it. I am focusing on Phillips and Blackwell who remarked the tightness and location of the knot.

Ligature? Any sign of that?

"Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled?"

Yes, indeed. And, not to be waggish, Isenschmid arrived at the infirmary with a blacked eye.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC

That's nonsense, Lynn. Knots don't 'migrate' when pulled tight from the other side. How can they? Rhetorical question, because they can't.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Observer]

"Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled?"

Yes, indeed. And, not to be waggish, Isenschmid arrived at the infirmary with a blacked eye.

Cheers.
LC

That's right. She caught him one with her hoof.

[lynn cates]

caught on film

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Actually, when you grab a "tail" they DO move.

Hope to capture on film now that my "sufferings" are nearly at an end.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Who would ever have thunk of the many ways to tie a scarf...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=how+to+tie+a+scarf&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&hs=fjz&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AuKsUrm0M-rK2gXOpYC4CQ&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1044&bih=881

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Jon.

"Absolutely, and given the perceived M.O. with previous victims, this issue is most important."

It is indeed. Even more so given the disparity with the first two.

Cheers.
LC

How can you say there's any disparity when it's already been observed we don't know what happened? There may have been no disparity.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Actually, when you grab a "tail" they DO move.

Hope to capture on film now that my "sufferings" are nearly at an end.

Cheers.
LC

The 'tail' is on the same side as the knot. The tail is created by the knot. The killer grabbed the side opposite to the knot.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

disparity

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"How can you say there's any disparity when it's already been observed we don't know what happened? There may have been no disparity."

I refer to:

1. a single cut

2. no facial bruising

3. no lacerated/protruding tongue

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

tail to be told

Hello (again) Tom. Thanks.

"The 'tail' is on the same side as the knot. The tail is created by the knot."

Close. Actually, the knot is created by the tails being placed in a certain way.

"The killer grabbed the side opposite to the knot."

In which case the knot's side and tightness are irrelevant, and we have chased a phantom for 125 years.

Cheers.
LC