How Strong Did Liz Stride's Killer Need To Be?

[lynn cates]

open

Hello Jon.

1. Open to suggestions.

2. Open to discuss possibilities associated with each.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

At the end of the day we do not even know what he meant by 'knot', a loop, a bow?
We can be reasonably sure an actual knot, in the true sense of the word, is not necessary for a scarf.

[lynn cates]

significance

Hello Velma. Thanks.

I think much depends on the kind of knot being employed. A slip knot would allow the radius to decrease--given, of course, one pulls the appropriate tail.

Then, too, there is the "hard" knot which remains fixed.

Obviously, my remarks deal with the former and are said in lieu of the significance of the direction of the knot and its tightness.

Tom once observed that Liz may simply have worn the knot left side rather than middle, and tight.

If so, the doctors (as well as myself) are mistaken: there is NO significance in the scarf's knot.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello (again) Tom. Thanks.

"The 'tail' is on the same side as the knot. The tail is created by the knot."

Close. Actually, the knot is created by the tails being placed in a certain way.

"The killer grabbed the side opposite to the knot."

In which case the knot's side and tightness are irrelevant, and we have chased a phantom for 125 years.

Cheers.
LC

Lynn,
I believe (from wearing neck scarves in my youth) that pulling the scarf tight, with the knot having pressure put on it would actually cause the knot to get tighter and smaller.

Velma

[lynn cates]

tail to be told

Hello (again) Tom. Thanks.

"The 'tail' is on the same side as the knot. The tail is created by the knot."

Close. Actually, the knot is created by the tails being placed in a certain way.

"The killer grabbed the side opposite to the knot."

In which case the knot's side and tightness are irrelevant, and we have chased a phantom for 125 years.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

disparity

Hello Tom. Thanks.

"How can you say there's any disparity when it's already been observed we don't know what happened? There may have been no disparity."

I refer to:

1. a single cut

2. no facial bruising

3. no lacerated/protruding tongue

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Actually, when you grab a "tail" they DO move.

Hope to capture on film now that my "sufferings" are nearly at an end.

Cheers.
LC

The 'tail' is on the same side as the knot. The tail is created by the knot. The killer grabbed the side opposite to the knot.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Jon.

"Absolutely, and given the perceived M.O. with previous victims, this issue is most important."

It is indeed. Even more so given the disparity with the first two.

Cheers.
LC

How can you say there's any disparity when it's already been observed we don't know what happened? There may have been no disparity.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

Who would ever have thunk of the many ways to tie a scarf...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=how+to+tie+a+scarf&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&hs=fjz&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AuKsUrm0M-rK2gXOpYC4CQ&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1044&bih=881

[lynn cates]

caught on film

Hello Tom. Thanks.

Actually, when you grab a "tail" they DO move.

Hope to capture on film now that my "sufferings" are nearly at an end.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

"Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled?"

Yes, indeed. And, not to be waggish, Isenschmid arrived at the infirmary with a blacked eye.

Cheers.
LC

That's right. She caught him one with her hoof.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC

That's nonsense, Lynn. Knots don't 'migrate' when pulled tight from the other side. How can they? Rhetorical question, because they can't.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

struggle

Hello Velma. Thanks.

It would depend on whether he pulled a tail. Else, the knot would remain where Liz initially fixed it. I am focusing on Phillips and Blackwell who remarked the tightness and location of the knot.

Ligature? Any sign of that?

"Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled?"

Yes, indeed. And, not to be waggish, Isenschmid arrived at the infirmary with a blacked eye.

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
Appreciate your participation and input.

Why would the knot have migrated? If the scarf was pulled tight from the right, would not the knot have bit into her neck and just have pulled tighter?

Also, could the use of a ligature not have been the killer improving his methods? Perhaps hand suffocation took too long and was more difficult. Wasn't there some evidence Annie Chapman struggled? Maybe the killer simply researched a better way -- not sure how since he most likely did not have access to the Internet.

Velma

[lynn cates]

knot sure

Hello (again) Tom.

"it was pulled tight on the left side. . . "

Well, the knot was. And that is one of the things that worked really well in the reenactment.

". . .which means the force was pulling up from the right side."

Why? Surely the knot would have migrated right in that case.

Cheers.
LC