When Exactly Did Liz Scream?

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

After falling seems after the fact. I can see one scream but three seems a little strange since the deed had already been done.

Given the language problem and the fact that his statement was given through an interpreter, maybe we are taking the word scream too literally. Could it have been more of an "oooh" and relating more to surprise?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

possible

Hello Cd. Thanks.

"Could it have been more of an "oooh" and relating more to surprise?"

Of course. But she still needs to be IN the yard and BSM needs to be behind her NOT face to face.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

It was actually one of the doctors who admitted that he had spilled the cachous.

Ah yes...I just checked out the Inquest accounts in a number of papers including the Times, Morning Advertiser (to keep Wickers happy), and the Telegraph...I mention these because they seem the more reliable...

All say that Bagster Phillips claimed to have taken the cachous out of her hand, all oddly have, on recall, Dr Blackwell claiming to have done so. Of those I checked, only the Telegraph has Dr Blackwell admitting on recall, that he'd spilled them...I was beginning to wonder where that had come from!

If nothing else these Stride threads are making me go back to look afresh at the primary and secondary evidence!

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

epiphany

Hello Dave.

"If nothing else these Stride threads are making me go back to look afresh at the primary and secondary evidence!"

Exactly. And that's where my epiphany began.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Lynn/cd

Perhaps the screams are muffled because of a hand over the mouth, or by the tightening of the scarf...I certainly see in them nothing that would discredit Schwartz - there is evidence to believe that the Police retained there belief in him until at least 6th November.

I agree translation might be an issue here, but suspect ooh ooh ooh is probably out...unless you're claiming her swedish ancestry were more simian!

Perhaps they were more sobbing cries than piercing screams?

All the best

Dave

[c.d.]

Hi Dave,

Some sounds are a lot harder to spell than others.

c.d.

[Cogidubnus]

Some sounds are a lot harder to spell than others.

Love it

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Exactly. And that's where my epiphany began.

I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

Fanny

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"Perhaps the screams are muffled because of a hand over the mouth, or by the tightening of the scarf."

But he was up; she, on her "fanny" when she screamed.

Position, position, position.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

secrets of longevity

Hello (again) Dave. Thanks.

"I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?"

I fancy that I have lived to such a ripe old age since I shun medicine, doctors and hospitals. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello (again) Dave. Thanks.

"I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?"

I fancy that I have lived to such a ripe old age since I shun medicine, doctors and hospitals. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

Hear hear Mr. Cates. I you aren't too old.

[lynn cates]

Hear?

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Eh? Speak up please. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

But he was up; she, on her "fanny" when she screamed.

But we can't be sure he was standing erect Lynn...he could've immediately stooped or followed her down regaining contact with her...which could even explain WHY she screamed at that immediate moment...

All the best

Dave

[c.d.]

Hi Dave,

You are probably right that she was on the ground when she screamed but if you reread Schwartz's statement that is not completely clear which is why I started the thread.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

taking a tumble

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"he could've immediately stooped or followed her down regaining contact with her...which could even explain WHY she screamed at that immediate moment..."

Then Schwartz missed that. And BSM had taken the tumble BEFORE he called out "Lipski."

Cheers.
LC