When Exactly Did Liz Scream?

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  • c.d.
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 6560

    #16
    Hello Lynn,

    After falling seems after the fact. I can see one scream but three seems a little strange since the deed had already been done.

    Given the language problem and the fact that his statement was given through an interpreter, maybe we are taking the word scream too literally. Could it have been more of an "oooh" and relating more to surprise?

    c.d.

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #17
      possible

      Hello Cd. Thanks.

      "Could it have been more of an "oooh" and relating more to surprise?"

      Of course. But she still needs to be IN the yard and BSM needs to be behind her NOT face to face.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • Cogidubnus
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Feb 2012
        • 3266

        #18
        It was actually one of the doctors who admitted that he had spilled the cachous.
        Ah yes...I just checked out the Inquest accounts in a number of papers including the Times, Morning Advertiser (to keep Wickers happy), and the Telegraph...I mention these because they seem the more reliable...

        All say that Bagster Phillips claimed to have taken the cachous out of her hand, all oddly have, on recall, Dr Blackwell claiming to have done so. Of those I checked, only the Telegraph has Dr Blackwell admitting on recall, that he'd spilled them...I was beginning to wonder where that had come from!

        If nothing else these Stride threads are making me go back to look afresh at the primary and secondary evidence!

        All the best

        Dave

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        • lynn cates
          Commisioner
          • Aug 2009
          • 13841

          #19
          epiphany

          Hello Dave.

          "If nothing else these Stride threads are making me go back to look afresh at the primary and secondary evidence!"

          Exactly. And that's where my epiphany began.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • Cogidubnus
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Feb 2012
            • 3266

            #20
            Hi Lynn/cd

            Perhaps the screams are muffled because of a hand over the mouth, or by the tightening of the scarf...I certainly see in them nothing that would discredit Schwartz - there is evidence to believe that the Police retained there belief in him until at least 6th November.

            I agree translation might be an issue here, but suspect ooh ooh ooh is probably out...unless you're claiming her swedish ancestry were more simian!

            Perhaps they were more sobbing cries than piercing screams?

            All the best

            Dave

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            • c.d.
              Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 6560

              #21
              Hi Dave,

              Some sounds are a lot harder to spell than others.

              c.d.

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              • Cogidubnus
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2012
                • 3266

                #22
                Some sounds are a lot harder to spell than others.
                Love it

                Dave

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                • Cogidubnus
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 3266

                  #23
                  Exactly. And that's where my epiphany began.
                  I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?

                  All the best

                  Dave

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #24
                    Fanny

                    Hello Dave. Thanks.

                    "Perhaps the screams are muffled because of a hand over the mouth, or by the tightening of the scarf."

                    But he was up; she, on her "fanny" when she screamed.

                    Position, position, position.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • lynn cates
                      Commisioner
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13841

                      #25
                      secrets of longevity

                      Hello (again) Dave. Thanks.

                      "I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?"

                      I fancy that I have lived to such a ripe old age since I shun medicine, doctors and hospitals. (heh-heh)

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • Digalittledeeperwatson
                        Sergeant
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 635

                        #26
                        Hullo Lynn.

                        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                        Hello (again) Dave. Thanks.

                        "I'm so awfully sorry to hear that Lynn...have you sought medical advice?"

                        I fancy that I have lived to such a ripe old age since I shun medicine, doctors and hospitals. (heh-heh)

                        Cheers.
                        LC
                        Hear hear Mr. Cates. I you aren't too old.
                        Valour pleases Crom.

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #27
                          Hear?

                          Hello DLDW. Thanks.

                          Eh? Speak up please. (heh-heh)

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • Cogidubnus
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 3266

                            #28
                            But he was up; she, on her "fanny" when she screamed.
                            But we can't be sure he was standing erect Lynn...he could've immediately stooped or followed her down regaining contact with her...which could even explain WHY she screamed at that immediate moment...

                            All the best

                            Dave

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                            • c.d.
                              Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 6560

                              #29
                              Hi Dave,

                              You are probably right that she was on the ground when she screamed but if you reread Schwartz's statement that is not completely clear which is why I started the thread.

                              c.d.

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                              • lynn cates
                                Commisioner
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 13841

                                #30
                                taking a tumble

                                Hello Dave. Thanks.

                                "he could've immediately stooped or followed her down regaining contact with her...which could even explain WHY she screamed at that immediate moment..."

                                Then Schwartz missed that. And BSM had taken the tumble BEFORE he called out "Lipski."

                                Cheers.
                                LC

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