Where is Liz Stride?

[The Good Michael]

Very well, let's cut to the chase. Liz is "perceived" as a prostitute. What then? BSM (if you believe in him) crosses her path, gets a look at her, and smacks her ("Dirty 'ore!")?

Lynn, I have no idea. I was only saying that she was perceived as a prostitute. One thing at a time, please.

I do believe that Schwartz said what he thought he saw, and that someone translated in a way that, to the translator, replicated Schwartz' statement. I believe in the possibility of mistakes in the process, but not in intentional deception.

Cheers,

Mike

[lynn cates]

so little to ask

Hello Michael. Thanks.

"I was only saying that she was perceived as a prostitute."

Certainly. At least, the police thought so.

Had I known this is all you sought, I would have been glad to have given it. No difficulty there.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Had I known this is all you sought, I would have been glad to have given it. No difficulty there.

Lynn,

Seriously, I have no hidden agenda. I just try to logically (my logic) understand the various components. When I put them together...well, I can't. Worst jigsaw I've ever seen.

Mike

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Well, BSM is not described as interrupting anyone when he paused to chat up Liz.

Could have merely neglected to relate?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Not at all, Schwartz looks like his entire focus was the struggle in front of him, and his immediate reaction to the struggle was to take off in the opposite direction.
There is no indication that he had the time to survey the shadows behind the couple. I'm suggesting that we have no indication as to whether Stride was alone in the gateway or, as she has been all night, in the company of a man.
Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability, assuming she was soliciting. But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion then being half in the shadows makes sense.

[lynn cates]

jigsaw

Hello Michael. Thanks.

"When I put them together...well, I can't. Worst jigsaw I've ever seen."

In which case, at least two possible indications.

1. Pieces missing.

2. Pieces that do not belong.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

flow chart

Hello Jon. Thanks.

". . . as she has been all night, in the company of a man."

Provided, of course, all the sightings are accurate.

"Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability. . ."

Granted. But I thought this was a given for the standard view?

". . . assuming she was soliciting."

Indeed.

"But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion . . ."

Now this is indeed consistent with a leisurely stroll, having a heart to heart chat with a possible lover ("anything but your prayers"). Just stopping for a moment and listening to folk music--OK.

But is this dust off man? Did they remain together AFTER her turn down? If she turned him down for sex and YET they stayed together, I think that solicitation goes out the window.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Lynn.

Hello Jon. Thanks.

". . . as she has been all night, in the company of a man."

Provided, of course, all the sightings are accurate.

Accurate?, are we to entertain some possibility that Best, Gardner, Smith, Marshall, all, or any one of them, invented the male companion?

"Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability. . ."

Granted. But I thought this was a given for the standard view?

Well,...you know me, I don't run with the pack

". . . assuming she was soliciting."

Indeed.

"But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion . . ."

Now this is indeed consistent with a leisurely stroll, having a heart to heart chat with a possible lover ("anything but your prayers"). Just stopping for a moment and listening to folk music--OK.

But is this dust off man? Did they remain together AFTER her turn down? If she turned him down for sex and YET they stayed together, I think that solicitation goes out the window.

Cheers.
LC

Brush off man you mean?
I don't think so, this was the courting couple, not Stride and her companion.

[lynn cates]

inventing . . .

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Accurate?, are we to entertain some possibility that Best, Gardner, Smith, Marshall, all, or any one of them, invented the male companion?"

Not a bit of it. Smith was spot on. The rest--did they invent Liz?

Brush off? Dust off? Bugger off? Whatever.

"I don't think so, this was the courting couple, not Stride and her companion."

Ah!

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Not a bit of it. Smith was spot on. The rest--did they invent Liz?

Hi Lynn.
What cause do you have to ask?

[lynn cates]

discrepancies

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Still the same. Discrepancies in description.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Still the same. Discrepancies in description.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn.

Ah, so you mean they did see a woman (wearing a flower), but it may not have been Liz?

The first mention in the press of Dahlia's came in the Daily News on Monday.
"...and at her breast were pinned two dahlias.."
But Best & Gardiner's story first appeared in the evening papers the same day, they were interviewed Sunday.

John Gardner said:
"before I got into the mortuary to-day (Sunday), I told you the woman had a flower in her jacket, and that she had a short jacket. Well, I have been to the mortuary and there she was with the dahlias on her right side of her jacket."

[lynn cates]

A rose by any other name?

Hello Jon. Thanks.

But Brown and Marshall saw no flower. B & G did. But a dahlia is not a rose. And don't forget the nose.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

But Brown and Marshall saw no flower. B & G did. But a dahlia is not a rose. And don't forget the nose.

Cheers.
LC

Hmm, but October is not the season for Roses, its the season for Dahlia's.

What about the nose?

[Wickerman]

"I have been to the mortuary, and am almost certain the woman there is the one we saw at the Bricklayers' Arms. She is the same slight woman, and seems the same height. The face looks the same, but a little paler, and the bridge of the nose does not look so prominent."

Ah, ok, but everything else is the same.

Should we expect all dead people to look the same as when they were alive?

[lynn cates]

identification

Hello Jon. Thanks.

That's the one.

Have you ever been confronted by one or more new person/s? This happens to me when I have a day off and act as substitute for a local school district. I have about 125 students in a day. Can I confuse one with another? Yes.

Can you see someone for a few seconds and misidentify later? I think so.

Cheers.
LC