6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[lynn cates]

What's new, Pussycat?

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"being simple minded doesn't mean he's a pussycat."

Indeed. But many non-pussycats slit no throats.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

agreed

Hello CD.

"You would have to think that if the police suspected Kidney of being the BS man that they would have asked Schwartz to identify him."

Zounds! We agree twice in one day! Send help. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"being simple minded doesn't mean he's a pussycat."

Indeed. But many non-pussycats slit no throats.

Cheers.
LC

Haha! That made me laugh! Well done Lynn!

Cheers
DRoy

[DRoy]

c.d. & Lynn,

Your united front is scaring me, please go back to disagreeing

Who said BS Man killed Liz?

DRoy

[Wickerman]

You would have to think that if the police suspected Kidney of being the BS man that they would have asked Schwartz to identify him.

c.d.

Schwartz was never asked to identify anybody that we know of in spite of the police arresting a couple of person's..

"... They arrested one man on the description thus obtained, and a second on that furnished from another source, but they are not likely to act further on the same information without additional facts..."

Wouldn't the police bring Schwartz in to identify either of these two?, assuming the Star article is accurate.

We don't hear of Schwartz helping the police at all, in fact he drops from view. Which in itself is an oddity, unless he did not get a sufficiently good look at either of the men he saw.

.

[Wickerman]

Who said BS Man killed Liz?

DRoy

This is just an exercise , some might believe BSman is more likely to be her killer than the suggestion she was attacked twice within 15 minutes. Whether a possible second assault was 'Jack' or not also remains debatable.
Then again, Kidney could have appeared on the scene after BSman left.

The trouble is, any argument that has BSman walking away leaving Stride alive requires unsubstantiated leaps of faith in the existence of another suspect.

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[Semper_Eadem]

Hello Same.

"She probably spent in on liquor. I think she was on a pub crawl."

Could be. Of course, there was no trace of such in her system. Maybe the invisible signs?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn, I saw that after I made that post. How much beer would 6d buy though? Perhaps there wasn't enough alcohol in her system to show up. Although for all I know she could of given it to a friend to hold, been murdered and the aforementioned friend knowing that Liz was dead and not needing her money anymore would have pocketed it.

Geo~

[DRoy]

Jon,

I'm aware of the complications...but that's only if Schwartz's interpreter gave the exact info as Schwartz said it and it was written exactly as Schwartz meant it.

Since Schwartz was considered to be such an important witness, you'd assume he would have been questioned intensely yet does his statement seem thorough and detailed? Not to me. So either the statement we have is really just a summary or it could be because it was difficult to get info from Schwartz and the interpreter so that's all they could get. But were there things lost in translation?

Cheers
DRoy

[Wickerman]

DRoy.

The statement given by Schwartz has not survived, we only have Swanson's summary with which to judge, along with the controversial press version.
And yes, given that a third party appears to have been involved, certain details may not have been conveyed accurately in either version.

A police statement given by Schwartz, and incidentally given to Abberline, would have been written on the same form as that given by Hutchinson.

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[lynn cates]

"May the Schwartz be with you."

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"Your united front is scaring me, please go back to disagreeing."

I am alarmed myself. (Alright, CD, was Liz killed by "Jack"?--heh-heh)

"Who said BS Man killed Liz?"

Various and sundry. IF Schwartz is right, look no further. Of course, I cannot convince myself that Israel told the truth.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

faith

Hello Jon.

"The trouble is, any argument that has BS man walking away leaving Stride alive requires unsubstantiated leaps of faith in the existence of another suspect."

Quite. It also assumes Israel gave it out straight.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

my treat

Hello Same. Thanks.

"How much beer would 6d buy though?"

Well, if she were being stood treat by a client . . .

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

........ Perhaps there wasn't enough alcohol in her system to show up.

Alcohol is absorbed rapidly through the stomach lining into the body. Liz was murdered about 1:00am Sun. the autopsy was at 3:00pm Mon. After 38 hrs the doctors should not have been surprised to see no evidence of alcohol in the stomach.

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[Wickerman]

... IF Schwartz is right, look no further. Of course, I cannot convince myself that Israel told the truth.

To suggest Swanson was mistaken in his summary in referring to the statement given by Schwartz as reliable appears totally untenable. Yet the latter's non appearance at the inquest coupled with press rumors that the police "have reason to doubt the truth of the story" are consistent with the possibility that Swanson was indeed wrong.

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[lynn cates]

story

Hello Jon. Thanks.

No suggestion whatever about Swanson. And, yes, he had no doubts about the story.

My suggestion concerns Schwartz ONLY. And, according to one press account, the lads at Leman were dubious about his story.

Cheers.
LC