Stride Bruising

[lynn cates]

clothes, etc

Hello Mike. Very well, the lint brush is different.

Do you have the quote for the clothes?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Red Virgin

Hello Maria. Charlotte Corday nothing. I see you as more like Louise Michel, the notorious "Red Virgin." I can see you caning another Anarchist's rear when he displeases you. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

If the killer was a robber, and he was stupid enough to pick the poorest people to rob then he would likely have robbed the victims when they could not resist, not hope that he could scare them into offering up what their pockets contained while they stood there.

Every so often the wind of common sense breezes through like a breath of fresh air...

[mariab]

Why don't we all just agree with you, then we can shut down Casebook altogether.

Lol. Good one, Wick.

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Mike. On the other hand, she may have been wearing her only clothes.

Of course, my eyebrows have always been raised at her getting someone to keep her cloth and hymnal.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

Im pretty sure the quote "good evening wear" is attributed to Catherine Lane, who also described seeing Liz in the kitchen around 6-7pm.... "She then had on a long cloak and a black bonnet". The "Then" in that sentence is because Catherine saw her earlier in the day around 11am while she was cleaning, wearing maids clothing. So we know she at least had 1 outfit to clean in and 1 to wear out at night.

She also wanted to borrow Preston's lint brush.

I dont recall ever having read of an unfortunate concerned with lint, her breath, or the cheery nature of her attire, as she headed out to solicit business from sweaty and dirty off work dockers and warehouseman. Some seem to imagine that Liz was woman. However, since she had some paid work from Elizabeth Tanner, and she was "at work among the Jews" during the days, soliciting may not have been necessary at that point in her life anyway.

My best regards,
Mike R

[Wickerman]

Or you and I could collaborate, and then Maria could just agree with me. It would save time.

Why don't we all just agree with you, then we can shut down Casebook altogether.

[mariab]

Well, you betcha. There would have been no Ripperology, and I would have been famous as another Charlotte Corday.

[lynn cates]

C 4.5

Hello Maria. I daresay the "Autumn of Terror" had been different if you had been marked out for mayhem. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

hymnal

Hello Mike. On the other hand, she may have been wearing her only clothes.

Of course, my eyebrows have always been raised at her getting someone to keep her cloth and hymnal.

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

Well, if I don't agree with you on something, even a small thing, you either go all or talk me up until I do. This thread and your robbery scenario being the best example.

Maria,

Suggesting that the poorest homeless women in the city were being robbed before being murdered isnt the most probable scenario, when you add that the only victim with a pocket obviously ripped is Annie, and that could easily have been done as she lay there dead or dying.

The ONLY victims that we know had ANY pocket money the night they are killed is Liz when she leaves the lodging house, and Mary before she goes out. Polly was earning and drinking...no doss, Annie wasnt earning and likely had her rings wrenched from a dead finger....no doss, Kate had no money listed as contents by the police in the city jail...no doss, and Mary had a few coins Maria gave her....not for doss since she rented weekly and was about 2 1/2 weeks delinquent.

If the killer was a robber, and he was stupid enough to pick the poorest people to rob then he would likely have robbed the victims when they could not resist, not hope that he could scare them into offering up what their pockets contained while they stood there.

And we know that at least in the case of Polly and Annie, robbery wasnt the motive.

Best regards,

Mike R

[mariab]

Why not you and Tom make a list of scenarios to re-enact? (I still have the cardboard and styrofoam knife.)

Not a good idea if I collaborate on a physical fight. Even if I promise to hold back, the other "collaborator" won't be able to walk for weeks, not to mention being fed the styrofoam.

Or you and I could collaborate, and then Maria could just agree with me. It would save time.

Well, if I don't agree with you on something, even a small thing, you either go all or talk me up until I do. This thread and your robbery scenario being the best example.

[Michael W Richards]

The stumbling block

Hi all,

The main "theories" discussed either rely on Liz Stride being actively engaged in prostitution on that night or a premise that she was not in fact soliciting that evening and was there on other business.

Perhaps it would be beneficial to factor in that Liz Stride left Goteborg after being a nanny and having her name struck off the registered prostitutes list there. Something few other women accomplished apparently. She arrived in London as a charwoman, worked as a domestic, ran a coffee shop and was said by her landlady just after her death that Liz told her she "was at work among the Jews" the past few months. We have a history of legitimate work right up until her death. That she may have had to prostitute herself from time to time qualifies her for the title Unfortunate, not Prostitute. Thats denotes a full time gig I believe.

She was found dead in her "good" evening wear.. (the statement of a resident at the lodging house), and she is found with mints in her hand and a newly purchased flower and maidenfern on her breast. She had no alcohol in her blood.

Seems to me that a nicely dressed charwoman working among the Jews being near a Jewish men's club on the eve of the Jewish High Holidays may make perfect sense. To some anyway.

Best regards,

Mike R

[lynn cates]

here

Hello Abby. Your wish is my command, Effendi.

Cheers.
LC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95rqNxxbiM

[Abby Normal]

Hello Tom. Thanks. The video, whether right or wrong, was inspired by Dr. Blackwell's take. And it does accommodate ALL the data points.

As I said at the top of that thread, I look forward to alternate versions.

Cheers.
LC

Hi LC
Do you have the link for me? Would love to see it!

[lynn cates]

How long is it?

Hello Tom. Not sure about that. Her posts might be longer.

Cheers.
LC