Stride Bruising

[lynn cates]

sons and dottirs

Hello Maria. Thanks. I seem to recall that, in Iceland, the boy is Xson, but the girl is Ydottir. I believe that in Swedish, it is always son.

"--Dotter" looks Norwegian.

Phil, Christer?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Jon--It's funny you mentioned Fishman's book ... Last week, when I transferred a half-dozen Ripper reference books from a bookcase to my desk, I wondered that very thing--if you had a copy yet.

Yes it was bittersweet satisfaction. I walked into a second-hand bookstore and East End 1888 and Doctor in the Nineties were side-by-side on the same shelf. I was so astonished to see Fishman's book in a second-hand bookstore I spent a good ten minutes thumbing through it.
Completely forgot about the other book. Both books were on my 'to get' list, but when I went back the next day it was gone.

I remembered all the joking threats/bribes you made to try to entice me into giving up my copy. Good times.

Hush woman!, ....reputations, etc.

Are you still in Canada?

Yes I am my dear, same place.
Its a pleasure to see you back...

All the best, Jon S.

[mariab]

The church register of baptisms who recorded the birth of her illegitimate stillborn child listed Lis's name as Gustafsson, instead of Gustafsdotter

The difference in cognomen may be due to a cultural distinction in customs--Swedish vs Norwegian and Icelandic.

"Gustafsson" {Gustav's son} is the masculine form of "Gustafsdotter" {Gustav's daughter} in Swedish. (In Icelandic it would have been “Gustafsdottir“.) This simply means that Liz Stride's/Lis Gustafsdotter's stillborn child was a male.

[lynn cates]

Scandinavian customs

Hello Mike. The difference in cognomen may be due to a cultural distinction in customs--Swedish vs Norwegian and Icelandic.

Maybe Christer and Phil could help here?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Peter Sellers

Hello JWD. I believe that was "The Return of the Pink Panther."

Delighted that you are a fan of Peter Sellers. Now, excuse me, but I must go to my rheum and have speaks with Kato on the pheun.

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

Hi again,

You are correct Janice when you surmised that the general attitude towards prostitution was moderate in many European and Scandinavian countries. Some additional info from that article may be of interest also,.... in Sept of 1864 Lis became pregnant and in April of 65 Lis was in hospital being treated for Venereal disease when she lost the child she was carrying. The church register of baptisms who recorded the birth of her illegitimate stillborn child listed Lis's name as Gustafsson, instead of Gustafsdotter, and her occupation as domestic servant. In February 1866 Lis left for London and her altered residence listing from her parish at the time listed her occupation as, once again, domestic servant.

As to the register...the prostitutes register was not considered a police record but rather more like census data, the police records for many of these women came from Drunk and Disorderly charges or similar.

Best regards,

Mike R

[JW-D]

Thanks for the welcome, Lynn.

Any license request always brings to mind that Peter Sellers movie (Pink Panther?) Do you have a lee-scence for your mee-key? (monkey)

Best,
Janice

[lynn cates]

"You gotta have a license."

Hello JWD. Welcome back to the boards.

Those are some interesting questions about prostitution.

It also lends a whole new dimension to the old question, "May I see your license?" (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[JW-D]

Tom & Jon,

How nice to be remembered. Glad to know y'all are still aboard.

Jon--It's funny you mentioned Fishman's book ... Last week, when I transferred a half-dozen Ripper reference books from a bookcase to my desk, I wondered that very thing--if you had a copy yet. I remembered all the joking threats/bribes you made to try to entice me into giving up my copy. Good times. Are you still in Canada?

Best,
Janice

[Wickerman]

Ah, Ash!
Yes Ashling, the last time we talked you had just bought Fishman's East End 1888.

Welcome back....

(I have my own copy now )

Regards, Jon S.

[JW-D]

Liz's Beginnings

Hi Janice,
I've just recently returned myself, welcome back to you.

I have a soft cover edition of The Best of Ripperologist Magazine, Ripperology, Jack the Ripper and the Victorian East End Edited by Paul Begg, released by Magpie Books in 2007 that has a comprehensive look at Elisabeth's beginnings starting on page 44.

The author was Daniel Olsson.

According to Daniel, it appears that Elisabeth was registered as a prostitute in Goteborg in 1864, disappears from the records until the 10th of November 1865 when she secured a position as a domestic servant servant for Inga Maria Wenzel, nee Hansdotter. She was struck from the prostitutes register 4 days later.

Daniel states ""There were only 2 ways to get off the register, get married or get a job". Most prostitutes failed at both. Since many had police records getting decent work proved difficult. He also noted that in 1865 prostitution was not illegal in Sweden.

Its a great little book and the article on Lis is particularly well researched.

Thanks, Mike--for the welcome and the source info! I don't have Yost's book (one of many on my birthday wish list as my income is extremely limited), but a quick Google shows Dave has Olsson in the recommended reading section.

I'm sure several folks will pile on to correct me if I'm wrong (ouch)--but I thought the icy countries did and still do have a warm/different approach to prostitution than the USA does. The thinking behind the (voluntary?) registration being more like a license than a police record. That is, some countries (did? still do?) require periodic physical check-ups for registered prostitutes. If a "socially transferable" condition was detected your "license" got yanked--forever for something like AIDS. Any curable conditions, once treated successfully, would result in the "license" being reinstated.

Anyway, thanks again for the info on Stride. Now I'm wondering if having a baby without being married would have been enough to get her (involuntarily) put on the list.

Best,
Janice

[Tom_Wescott]

Aw! Ashling! I remember you very well. And I recall how when Alan Sharp used to post as 'Ash', the occasional joke would be playfully made at your and his expense (but never by me, of course!).

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[JW-D]

Tom,

I posted as Ashling for several years, then as Janice.

Thanks for the welcome!

[Michael W Richards]

Returning poster here. I joined Casebook in 1999 and left around 2006 for health reasons. I've spent the last couple of weeks trying to catch up on any new info. The last book I bought was The Ultimate by SPE & Keith.

Mike,
Where did you get the info that Stride was struck off the prostitutes' register in Sweden? David Yost's book on Stride? Elsewhere?

Thanks,
Janice

Hi Janice,

I've just recently returned myself, welcome back to you.

I have a soft cover edition of The Best of Ripperologist Magazine, Ripperology, Jack the Ripper and the Victorian East End Edited by Paul Begg, released by Magpie Books in 2007 that has a comprehensive look at Elisabeth's beginnings starting on page 44.

The author was Daniel Olsson.

According to Daniel, it appears that Elisabeth was registered as a prostitute in Goteborg in 1864, disappears from the records until the 10th of November 1865 when she secured a position as a domestic servant servant for Inga Maria Wenzel, nee Hansdotter. She was struck from the prostitutes register 4 days later.

Daniel states ""There were only 2 ways to get off the register, get married or get a job". Most prostitutes failed at both. Since many had police records getting decent work proved difficult. He also noted that in 1865 prostitution was not illegal in Sweden.

Its a great little book and the article on Lis is particularly well researched.

Cheers Janice,

Mike R

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi J-Dubs, welcome back to the boards. What was your name on here back in '99 and on?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott