Hello Lynn,
Have now seen your re-enactment (sadly without sound), and yes, with you as to the grabbing of the scarf, but Liz was wearing a square "folded cornerwise". Don`t know about Liz, but I would tie this loosely at the front. Her assailant would then only have to grab both ends, from the side, from behind, or in front (my personal choice) and pull to tighten it enough to choke her.
Not with you that she met her murderer at the club, though. Outside the gates, perhaps.
May I also express my admiration for the moustache?
Best wishes,
Gwyneth
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Hello Paddy,
Thank you - this goes some way towards restoring my faith in my JTR library. Not that I blindly accept everything I read, but I would expect basic facts to be more or less trustworthy.
Hello DLDWatson,
I thought the main objection to Schwarz was that he was said not to have given evidence at the inquest and that this was because the police doubted his statement. Wrong!
Best wishes,
C4
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostHello
If he saw the murder occur he may not have realised it.
Have you seen the murder of Meredith Hunter by Hells Angels at the Rolling Stones gig at Altamont. At first look it appears like some kind of scuffle but in reality he was been stabbed.
Was there a delay in reporting what he`d seen? He went to the Police station to make a statement on the Sunday afternoon.
Indeed, he witnessed no murder and did not delay.
Plus, he didn't know Liz.
Nothing to do with Hutch.
Cheers mon ami
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From National Archives site Re Schwartz at Inquest
Reference:
MEPO 3/140
Description:
Elizabeth Stride (29 Sept 1888): Draft letter to Home Office regarding the evidence of Israel Schwartz given at the inques
Folio No: 207
Date: 1888 Nov 5
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Public Record
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hey thanks for that
Originally posted by curious4 View PostHello again DLDWatson,
Don't know if I can rely on any of my books now, but found this in Paul Begg's book "The Definitive Story", which suggests that Schwarz WAS at the inquest, but gave his evidence in camera. He cites a draft letter from Sir Robert Anderson to the Home Office, written after the inquest:
"With ref. to yr letter &c. I have to state that the opinion arrived at in this Dept. upon the evidence of Schwarz at the inquest in Eliz. Stride's case is that...."
Begg suggests that Schwarz's story was believed at the time and that the only reasonable explanation for his testimony not being reported in the newspapers is that Schwarz testified in private and was, he presumes, considered a very important witness.
He says that the letter was "in the files" but apart from that nothing else.
Can't back this up from anywhere else, but Paul Begg is, I believe, considered an authority. Shame he didn't continue with the letter, but perhaps, as it was a draft, there wasn't any more.
Best wishes,
C4
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Begg
Hello again DLDWatson,
Don't know if I can rely on any of my books now, but found this in Paul Begg's book "The Definitive Story", which suggests that Schwarz WAS at the inquest, but gave his evidence in camera. He cites a draft letter from Sir Robert Anderson to the Home Office, written after the inquest:
"With ref. to yr letter &c. I have to state that the opinion arrived at in this Dept. upon the evidence of Schwarz at the inquest in Eliz. Stride's case is that...."
Begg suggests that Schwarz's story was believed at the time and that the only reasonable explanation for his testimony not being reported in the newspapers is that Schwarz testified in private and was, he presumes, considered a very important witness.
He says that the letter was "in the files" but apart from that nothing else.
Can't back this up from anywhere else, but Paul Begg is, I believe, considered an authority. Shame he didn't continue with the letter, but perhaps, as it was a draft, there wasn't any more.
Best wishes,
C4
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Although
A woman being assaulted not being important enough to concern oneself with until she is found to be dead is quite troubling. Bravery I think not quite so much.
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same
Hello Jon. Thanks.
"But the finger marks on the throat, as pointed out by C4, are much more significant."
Absolutely. Little doubt but that Polly and Annie shared a similar fate--right down to the twin cuts.
Cheers.
LC
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostHello
Was there a delay in reporting what he`d seen? He went to the Police station to make a statement on the Sunday afternoon.Last edited by Digalittledeeperwatson; 05-10-2013, 10:09 AM.
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Hello
Originally posted by Digalittledeeperwatson View PostNow if he saw the murder occur why would he not have relayec that information..
Have you seen the murder of Meredith Hunter by Hells Angels at the Rolling Stones gig at Altamont. At first look it appears like some kind of scuffle but in reality he was been stabbed.
Originally posted by Digalittledeeperwatson View PostAlso why delay in reporting the incident?
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For clarity's sake
I am referring to myself when I mentioned the prattling. I love this place everyone is always engaged in Ripper-related topics. I can only annoy to a certain degree. Means I have to up my game.
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Trust no one
Originally posted by DVV View PostPoor Schwartz.
Brave enough to confess how cowardly he ran.
He really should be trusted.
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Poor Schwartz.
Brave enough to confess how cowardly he ran.
He really should be trusted.
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