who was solomon silver?

[Observer]

Hi Maria

Fashion Street and it's environs abounded with doss houses, and the link between Liz Stride, and Fashion Street could be no more sinister than the fact that she used those doss houses at some time in her life.

O

[lynn cates]

answers

Hello Maria.

"Why are we concentrating on the Solomon Silver metal shop at 7, Fashion Street . . ."

Because of its proximity to #6. I'm trying to get the aly of teh land.

" . . . and not trying to establish if there was a connection between this business and the Jewish soup kitchen at 5, Fashion Street? (Especially given Solomon Silver's philanthropic proclivities?)"

I'd be delighted to find one!

"Is there an eventuality that people working at Victorian soup kitchens might be allowed to sleep there too sometimes?"

Don't know. Good luck with this research.

"Also, what information from the 1891 census do we have about the residents at 6, Fashion Street – between 5 and 7 (duh!), i.e., the metal shop and the kitchen soup?"

I'll post that shortly.

And it's "Lis" not "Liz." Lis was Silver's AKA.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

1888 directory

Hello Maria. Here is the scanty info I have. Not very helpful.

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Hello there!!!

What have we got here? At 34 Fashion Street resides Michael Goldstein, tin plate worker. And whadduyouknow - in the 1891 census listing over Fashion Street, he still lives at the very same address, but his occupation, at the age of 38 years, mind you, is given as ... hold your breath! ...PLUMBER!

This, Lynn, will turn into a Hutchinson thread. Mark my words!

What year is the clip? 188? something?

The best
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

Toppy? Not again!

Hello Fish. Well, that is very interesting.

Will this become a Toppy/Hutch thread? Possibly. But first, let me don my bullet proof vest.

The listing is, I think, 1888.

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Lynn Cates:

"Will this become a Toppy/Hutch thread?"

Let´s try a united effort to hush things down for now, Lynn. Schhhhh ....

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

What kind of Toppy do you want on that?

Hello Fish. Right. From now on, Toppy is merely tomato sauce, cheese and anchovies.

And mum's the word!

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello all.
Thanks for the substantiation of what I've heard about several doss houses being located also on Fashion Street, Observer.
Lynn, about the possibility of workers at kitchen soups also being allowed to sleep there, let me ask Rob Clack and John Bennett. They're the ones who might have a notion about such details.
Am I to understand that the names listed in the first newspaper clipping are WVC members?
And now to a very uninformed, newbie question: Are there any Victorian listings of businesses or any such things (other than the post offices inventories)? Which would permit establishing a link between Fashion Street 5 and 7, i.e. the metal shop and the kitchen soup?
Lynn Cates wrote:
And it's "Lis" not "Liz." Lis was Silver's AKA.
Aha. But if you're implying that Joseph Silver might have picked Solomon Silver's name, then did Van Orselen manage to place Silver/Lis at all on Fashion Street?
Apologies for the endless questions, and many thanks to Lynn Cates for looking up and posting all these clippings.
Ps.: I'm not sure I grasp what the legendary Toppy/Hutch thread has to do with plumbers.

[Ben]

At 34 Fashion Street resides Michael Goldstein, tin plate worker. And whadduyouknow - in the 1891 census listing over Fashion Street, he still lives at the very same address, but his occupation, at the age of 38 years, mind you, is given as ... hold your breath! ...PLUMBER!

Interesting, Fisherman.

The logical deduction, therefore, is that Goldstein had a plumbing background prior to 1888, and that his "tin plate" job was merely temporary. He couldn't have started from scratch after 1888 to become a fully-fledged plumber three years later.

Toppy is merely tomato sauce, cheese and anchovies.

There's something fishy about him, Lynn, I'll give you that.

But meanwhile, back on topic...

All the best,
Ben

[mariab]

OK, even as a newbie I'm aware of the fact that Ben is a Hutchinsonian...
(But still unclear about the plumber part.)

[lynn cates]

answers

Hello Maria.

"Lynn, about the possibility of workers at kitchen soups also being allowed to sleep there, let me ask Rob Clack and John Bennett. They're the ones who might have a notion about such details."

Yes, they might know. I'm not exactly suggesting, however, that Liz worked in a kitchen. She was spotted a good deal on Fashion st and she claimed to work amongst the Jews.

"Am I to understand that the names listed in the first newspaper clipping are WVC members?"

Well, one is. Actually, that's a clipping about Jewish relief and its officers.

"And now to a very uninformed, newbie question: Are there any Victorian listings of businesses or any such things (other than the post offices inventories)? Which would permit establishing a link between Fashion Street 5 and 7, i.e. the metal shop and the kitchen soup?"

Well, there are street directories.

"Aha. But if you're implying that Joseph Silver might have picked Solomon Silver's name, then did Van Orselen manage to place Silver/Lis at all on Fashion Street?'

Whoa! No, only that Lis adopted the name--as not uncommon for Jewish people.

"Apologies for the endless questions, and many thanks to Lynn Cates for looking up and posting all these clippings."

No problem. And a million thanks to Robert and Chris et al for making it go.

"Ps.: I'm not sure I grasp what the legendary Toppy/Hutch thread has to do with plumbers."

It's a long story. Trust me--you don't want to know.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

'pun my word

Hello Ben. Did you make a Fish pun just for the halibut? Well, I must go now as those give me a splitting haddock.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hello Ben. Did you make a Fish pun just for the halibut? Well, I must go now as those give me a splitting haddock.

Cheers.
LC

it was definitely on porpoise.

[The Good Michael]

OK, even as a newbie I'm aware of the fact that Ben is a Hutchinsonian...
(But still unclear about the plumber part.)

Maria,

The plumber part in a nutshell: One group says that in order to have been a plumber in the LVP, one needed to go through rigorous years of apprenticeship beginning at age 14. This group is unwavering in that quaint, but unscientific notion.

The other group thinks that virtually anyone could have called themselves anything they wanted with regards to that sort of work if they (and even if not) could have done the job. This groups also thinks (knows) that apprenticeships were not hard and fast and were already dying by the LVP.

Let's see, did I get that right? I refer you to Hutchinson threads for more.

Mike

[The Good Michael]

What have we got here? At 34 Fashion Street resides Michael Goldstein, tin plate worker. And whadduyouknow - in the 1891 census listing over Fashion Street, he still lives at the very same address, but his occupation, at the age of 38 years, mind you, is given as ... hold your breath! ...PLUMBER!

Fisherman,

We both know that it's impossible for someone to have changed a career in the LVP. It didn't happen. And to become a plumber without a 125-year apprenticeship period which only began at 14 years old and not a day earlier or later, well that's flat out crazy. I have had a few cerebral giants tell me just this, and of course I can't argue against such brain power; such argumentativeness; such arrogance.

I'm afraid you're on your own on this one... like a fish out of water. But still, don't even think of looking for the plumber's signature. It would be forged.

Mike