who was solomon silver?

[lynn cates]

Hello All. I am looking for Solomon Silver whom the 1888 street directory lists as dwelling at #7 Fashion st.

The cutting is from the Jewish Standard February 1890. No idea if they are the same.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

1905

Hello All. Likely a different SS--this time in trouble with the law.

Taken from Lloyd's, January of 1905.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

1912

Hello All. Finally this. Seems related to the 1905 chap.

Cutting from the Daily Mail. January, 1912.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Lynn. Any of those names in the first clipping look familiar to you from the WVC?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

orthodox jews

Hello Tom. Yes indeed.

On another note, I know that the good, orthodox Jews from Aldgate would have been delighted to see the Berner club shut down. And I know the socialistically inclined Jews blamed the orthodox for the theatre pseudo fire that caused some to be trampled. But I cannot yet believe that the orthodox Jews had a role in the "double event."

Perhaps I am not being critical enough?

Cheers.
LC

[Robert]

Hi Lynn

The 1895 commercial directory lists a Solomon Silver of 7 Fashion St as being a metal merchant. In 1891 he is not at 7 Fashion St, instead there are three non-Silver people living there, and "Caretaker of metal shop" is written in the address box for some reason. So the premisses were a metal shop. In 1891 Solomon himself was at 20 St Peter's Rd MEOT, metal merchant age 60 born Amsterdam. Wife Simmey was 59 born London City. Children were Henry, 30, metal refiner; David, 26, gold jeweller; Abraham, 22, gold jeweller; and Daniel, 21, metal refiner, all children born Christchurch London.
Plus one servant.

[Tom_Wescott]

Just so we're all on the same page, the fake address that Eddowes gave the police was 6 Fashion Street. Is the close proximity to Solomon's address the reason why we're looking at him?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Robert. Thanks, you're an angel.

Which reminds me of a story about 2 married men discussing their wives. Said the first:

"My wife is an angel."

To which the second replied:

"Well, you're lucky. My wife's still alive."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Tom. Yup. Proximity is all I've got here. #7 was Solomon; #5 was a Jewish soup kitchen.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

For what it's worth (which is probably nothing) Charles Van Orselen (sp?) wrote a book naming Joseph Silver as a Ripper suspect. I wonder if there's any connection?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

Lis

Hello Tom. Right you are. I've often wondered about that one. Perhaps Silver was a name that Lis picked up?

Cheers.
LC

[Chris]

With the help of the details posted by Robert, it was straightforward to find that his death was registered in the 2nd quarter of 1899 at Mile End (aged 68), and that he was buried at Plashet on 4 May (plot D 13 3).

The following death notices and obituary appeared in the Jewish Chronicle of 5 May 1899:

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Chris. Thanks.

Given his philanthropic proclivities, perhaps he was involved in the soup kitchen next door?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

lining up

Hello (again) Chris. So this chap is the one from #7 fashion st and likely the one in my first cutting? Which means he is not one of the 2 receivers of stolen goods.

Thanks again.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Apologies for having disappeared yesterday evening, I had to sleep.
I have questions pertaining to 3 possibilities:
1) Why are we concentrating on the Solomon Silver metal shop at 7, Fashion Street, and not trying to establish if there was a connection between this business and the Jewish soup kitchen at 5, Fashion Street? (Especially given Solomon Silver's philanthropic proclivities?) Is there an eventuality that people working at Victorian soup kitchens might be allowed to sleep there too sometimes? Also, what information from the 1891 census do we have about the residents at 6, Fashion Street – between 5 and 7 (duh!), i.e., the metal shop and the kitchen soup?
2) Anyone owning The fox and the butterflies can establish if Van Orselen mentions anything about Fashion Street? But I hear that the book is very badly researched? Lynn, what exactly do you mean when suggesting “Perhaps Silver was a name that Liz picked up?“? A pimp “relationship“, that Silver was Stride's “man on Fashion Street“? And we don't even know if the guy was in Europe at the time...
3) Why do I have this gut feeling that Stride's intentions on Fashion Street were “innocent“, that is, she went there to have soup and to seek business opportunities with the Jewish due to the fact that they might have payed better and that she understood Yiddish? She might have had something going on not necessarily with a pimp, but maybe even with an elderly Jewish tailor (as in Klute with Jane Fonda?).

PS.: I'll take care of the French spy reports on Whitechapel anarchist activity in Lynn Cates' Kaufmann thread tonight. For real now. I don't know how many people are aware that a Schwartz (no first name) is mentioned there twice in 1905.