A Modern Day BS Man/Liz Encounter

[lynn cates]

dark

Hello Garza.

"That corner was dark."

But no darker than Dutfield's yard or Buck's Row.

But I do agree with your overall perspective regarding Liz--IF one believes in Jack the Ripper, and IF one thinks he killed Liz, then BS man needs to be taken out of the equation.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza. Then how do you account for Spooner's time as well as Kozebrodski's?

I daresay Wess saw Liz's body. (Review his "reason" for looking towards the gates.)

Cheers.
LC

People didn't have watches and mistook time, even PC Smith did it. Actually this point goes against your hypothesis entirely imo. If there was an organised story to tell the police it is likely they would have got the timing down and syncronised, not giving times with half an hour difference. perrymason is truely alive and well lol joke.

Regarding Wess you cannot know that and is just speculation. Expecially when walking you generally look ahead of you (where the gates were).

Take care Lynn.

[lynn cates]

kids

Hello Garza. I'm not sure why you refer to Mike Richards. That likely does not contribute to the discussion.

What is a good point, however, is about synchronous timings. Surely those who took part would get the same time? Indeed. But I am not suggesting that all the remaining members were involved. Spooner, clearly not; the 17 year old Kozebrodski, likely not. (Remember the "balloon" plot from a while back? It was inadvertently "undone" by an unwitting youngster.)

As for mistaking time, that happens even today. Of course, mistaking times is a knife that cuts both ways. (No pun intended.)

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza.

"That corner was dark."

But no darker than Dutfield's yard or Buck's Row.

But I do agree with your overall perspective regarding Liz--IF one believes in Jack the Ripper, and IF one thinks he killed Liz, then BS man needs to be taken out of the equation.

Cheers.
LC

Dutfield's yard and Buck's Row did not have organ removal so data for skill is limited. Buck's row could have been a botched effort, the killer trying and failing to cut though, hence all the cuts - but that can't be definite.

Its not even proving Liz to be a Ripper victim lynn, Schwartz's testimony does not fit, all the other witnesses fit, schwartz doesn't. Even if Schwartz is proven to be a lair or mistaken, doesn't mean its proven Liz got killed by Jack. But people who favour the domestic theory cling onto it for dear life, because they need Schwartz .

[lynn cates]

etc

Hello Garza.

"people who favour the domestic theory cling onto it for dear life, because they need Schwartz"

Yes, and that is a part of my point. If one does NOT accept domesticity, it is well advised to be rid of him.

By the way, some day, you might explain all the other testimony fitting together--I cannot reconcile a good many parts of it.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza. I'm not sure why you refer to Mike Richards. That likely does not contribute to the discussion.

What is a good point, however, is about synchronous timings. Surely those who took part would get the same time? Indeed. But I am not suggesting that all the remaining members were involved. Spooner, clearly not; the 17 year old Kozebrodski, likely not. (Remember the "balloon" plot from a while back? It was inadvertently "undone" by an unwitting youngster.)

As for mistaking time, that happens even today. Of course, mistaking times is a knife that cuts both ways. (No pun intended.)

Cheers.
LC

It was just a joke about perrymason, he left before I joined, but I remember he had a thing about times in the Stride murder.

Not familar with the ballon plot.

Obviously cuts both ways, but I think my scenario is more likely, due to Liz Stride being seen alive by PC Smith at around 12.40-45, it means Dietschitz would have to come across the body a few minutes after that for 15 mins to work out.

[lynn cates]

alternative

Hello Garza. Thanks.

What is wrong with Diemshitz arriving at just before 1 and having his pony shy, not at Liz's body, but on account of the 3 or 4 club higher ups walking around a dead body and wringing their hands?

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Hello Garza,

only one thing...you said..

"You are saying that the name Jack the Ripper made people think murders were atrributed to him when they were not. I disagree. They may have been made by different hands, but the name is irrevalent (semantic)."

Far from it. I am saying that Jack the Ripper..the phenonemon, didnt start until after 30 Sept. I didn't say JTR made people think it.. I am saying that the press and the police made people think it... AFTER 30th Sept. It was the scare that held the weight of opinion amongst the masses.

best wishes

Phil

Quick question Phil, why would the police make people think it was one killer if they had evidence it wasn't? The police thought they had a single killer on the lose, however if from example Liz Stride was found out to be different they most to gain in saying Jack the Ripper did not kill two people that night.

It would:
~ make the public more calm
~ make them sound less imcompetant and get the press of their back.

I do not think the police investigation was guided by press reports. For whatever reason, they believed that one killer was on the loose.

[Garza]

Hello Garza. Thanks.

What is wrong with Diemshitz arriving at just before 1 and having his pony shy, not at Liz's body, but on account of the 3 or 4 club higher ups walking around a dead body and wringing their hands?

Cheers.
LC

That's more possible, though they would have to be quiet with nosy Mrs. Mortimer around the corner.

[corey123]

Hello Lynn, Phil,

I will try in pop in this discussion later this day, you know how I am.

[lynn cates]

mum's the word

Hello Garza. That's a good answer indeed. Nor, do I think, inherently implausible.

Quiet for Mrs. Mortimer? To be sure. Perhaps, upon the discovery of the body, they screamed 3 times--but not loudly? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

up on the house top

Hello Corey. Sure, ho ho ho! Just pop down through the chimney. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[corey123]

Hello Lynn,

Sporting the bag with the C5 and Marth, I have serious doubts of getting down said chimney.

Hello Garza,

I don't believe Bucks-row to be a butched attempt. Actually, I veiw it as the natural progression from Tabram. Cuts to slices. The evolving nature of things. No, I think he set out to do something, and in this case, he accomplished it.

[lynn cates]

season's greeting

Hello Corey. Well, what a problem to have. Ugh!

Your progression thesis is a venerable one. Good luck with it! And, Merry X-mas! (Well, almost.)

Cheers.
LC

[Roy Corduroy]

Lynn, I understand your theory. That to discredit the club, an agent provocateur killed Liz Stride. An anti-socialist hit man.

(as opposed to an antisocial personality disorder )

The Warren memo you've mentioned, is that in the Ultimate? What is the memo? Could you repeat it please and source it for our benefit?

Roy