A Modern Day BS Man/Liz Encounter

[lynn cates]

f = ma

Hello CD. Who's forcing us?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Common sense?

c.d.

[Robert]

Hi Lynn

Interesting line of research. But if Schwarz was a friend of the club, then why, upon waking up in the morning and hearing of the murder, did he not simply say that he saw a man assaulting a woman several doors away from the club, or on the opposite side of the street to the club? If he's so keen to deflect the heat away from the club, why does he place the supposedly imaginary assault slap bang at the entrance to it?

[lynn cates]

logistics

Hello Robert. I presume that it had something to do with the fact that a body was found near the spot. An assault elsewhere would not be convincing.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

How fiendishly clever of Schwartz.

c.d.

[Robert]

But why, Lynn? I don't see why he couldn't have met her a bit further away from the gates, had a row with her - you don't even need the bit about his pushing her over - and then caught up with her at the gates, dragged her in and killed her. By placing the assault at the club gates, Schwarz was simply adding the aroma of prostitution to that of murder.

He might as well have told the police that as he passed the yard he heard Liz say to BS "Come and join the revolution, big boy."

[c.d.]

Good point, Robert.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

distance

Hello Robert. I'm not sure I follow. Would there be any important difference with the distances?

I am suggesting that Wess and the boys wished to impress on all and sundry that the good anarchists and socialists of the club were not implicated in Liz's murder. And, whether Schwartz's story is true or false, it seems to have worked. The club seems to have dodged a potential bullet.

Cheers.
LC

[Robert]

Hi Lynn

Well, I think that if Schwarz is going to invent the assault, then in addition to making the attacker a Gentile, he might as well steer the attack a bit further away. The club members' position was "We don't know her. She doesn't hang round our gates."

I see what you're saying about the club worrying about their "image" so to speak, but they weren't exactly diplomatic folks normally - the affair of the Black Fast seems to show them as rather provocative.

[c.d.]

You have to wonder if this line of reasoning occurred to Abberline.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

story

Hello Robert. You are absolutely right about their less than savoury reputation.

In retrospect, I think there are many items that could have been improved in Schwartz's (well, whoever concocted it for Schwartz) story.

But, in my humble opinion, it did contain 2 gems.

1. The Lipsky slur. This reminds one of Pee Wee Herman's "I think they're Iranians" remark. Quite effective.

2. The 3 soft yells.

"Alright lads, we've a problem."

"Right, Woolf. What shall we do?"

"Let's get Israel to deliver a story. After all, he has great acting skills."

"Right."

"How about, they scuffled and she screamed?"

"Well, wouldn't a scream be heard?"

"Right. Silly of me. Ah! I've hit it. How about 'She screamed, but not very loudly.'?"

"Hmmm, just might work."

Now, if only they had, before the police arrived, rehearsed Kozebrodske on time ("12:40?" "No, you twit. We've decided on 1:00.") and place (Liz was NOT found 15-18 feet from the kitchen door.).

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

But wasn't the club already involved in that members had been searched and questioned?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

search me

Hello CD. I wasn't sure if you were asking me or Robert. Forgive if I got it mixed round.

You are right that the club members were searched--after a bit. I don't think, however, that the lads had more than 5-15 minutes between the discovery of Liz's body and the summoning of the police to engage in hasty damage control.

And I don't think that the story from Schwartz was put together until some time after--perhaps next morning.

Cheers.
LC

[Robert]

That's one of the things that bugs me, Lynn - if Schwarz didn't do all this on his own initiative, if he consulted with club members, then wouldn't they have wanted to get their message across loud and clear, and selected someone with better English?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Draw up a list of similarities between the brief existences of the Schwartz and Hutchinson witness statements and you'll soon discover the identity of BS Man [nothing to do with shoulders].

Regards,

Simon