Have you seen this?

[Natalie Severn]

Ally,
Our posts had crossed.I was responding to an earlier post.
What I like to think about anyway is not whether she was a whore or not---she was, ofcourse she was.But she also spoke English without an accent,could apparently speak Yiddish as well and seems to me to have been quite bright and adventurous at one time.
So whore or not,she had one or two other things going for her.

[Ally]

Ally,

Your assumptive comments about her being "delighted" about losing the baby are complete fabrication, THAT isnt in any record. Niether is her "partying ways", neither was she an alcoholic at the time. I find them awful. You have NO basis of fact for them. Try and argue your way out of that, using the records you scream with and find those FACTS to back up YOUR words.

best wishes

Phil

Phil sweetie, I didn't assume anything of the sort and I didn't say that anything I was saying about her alcoholism or her delight was based in fact. I was responding to YOUR assumptions that were not based in fact and countering them with equal assumptions to show you how idiotic your assumptions were. I said "for all we know" meaning one scenario is just as likely as the other. Your hearts and flowers scenario of her grief and horror is not based on any factual information but I never claimed mine was either.

WE do not know whether she was devastated by the loss of her daughter. We do not know if she was grieving. You assume she was. That's an assumption. It's not based on any reality. You claim your women friends were devastated by the loss of their children. Were your women friends destitute whores, most likely suffering from venereal disease at the time they lost their daughter? How valid is what you are basing your assumptions on her reactions?

But one thing is a fact: she was a prostitute BEFORE her daughters death and there was no spiraling downward into prostitution based on grief. She was one before the birth of her daughter and she was a prostitute after the death of her daughter. The daughter was NOT the start of a downward spiral she was in in that spiral before the daughter's death.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Nats. Depending on who you asked, Liz did have an accent. She tried explaining it away by stating she had a throat defect and had lost the roof of her mouth.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

You claim your women friends were devastated by the loss of their children.

I have never mentioned once, throughout this thread, any mention of any lady friends of mine, neither have I mentioned any of my lady friend's personal circumstances. Just where did you get that from?

Your comments are factually incorrect. AGAIN.

Trying to bring in personal things that either don't exist or are made up assumptions won't get me to get annoyed either, which very much seems to be your bent.

I find your comments very childish

best wishes

Phil

PS Patronising me has no effect either (sweetie). Spare yourself the bother.

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Tom.That ofcourse is another aspect of her personality that she really seems to have enjoyed lying!Spinning stories about drowned husbands and throat defects.......I think Catherine Eddowes may have spun a few yarns too!

[Ally]

Ally,


I have never mentioned once, throughout this thread, any mention of any lady friends of mine, neither have I mentioned any of my lady friend's personal circumstances. Just where did you get that from?

You are right you didn't. I misread something you had posted earlier. I was wrong and I retract that.

Your comments are factually incorrect. AGAIN.

No that was the first time I was wrong. And you know it because out of everything I said, that was the only thing you could bring up.

I find your comments very childish

best wishes

Phil

PS Patronising me has no effect either (sweetie). Spare yourself the bother.

More of Phil's unending politeness and courtesy. He's such a model of the behavior he expects others to portray.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

Sorry,

Not biting that one either. Set your sights elsewhere.

best wishes

Phil

PS Your retraction is accepted. Gracefully.

[Ally]

I accept your graceful acceptance of your utter defeat. More people should learn how to lose with style.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

hahahaha! That was funny!

Nope, not biting that one either. (Sorry)

Set your sights on someone else.

best wishes

Phil

[Ally]

Why should I set my sights elsewhere? You never fail to respond with nothing, proving every time you have no real rebuttal.


Non-response in 10...9....8...

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Nats,

Stride was an exceptionally unhappy person and her lies seem to have been tailored around her perceived shortfallings. This isn't me fictionalizing Liz, as Ally might say, it's a pretty obvious truth. She was arrested at least 8 times between 1887 and 1888, and possibly more. She lied to Michael Kidney and Charles Preston about her age, lied to everone about her history, about why she talked funny, and even to her best friend about what street she lived on. She complained that she felt she was coming to a 'bad end', so had she met Jack or not, she probably would have anyway.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

I have no need, want nor desire to respond to your goading. So I will politely advise you... go elsewhere with your verbal digs. I use floccinaucinihilipilification with them.

best wishes

Phil

[Ally]

Nah don't plan to do that Phil. Because this thread has shown completely two things. When I am wrong, I am fully capable of admitting it. I made an incorrect statement about what you said and then retracted it. You accused me of arguing something I had not and accused me of fabricating and you have yet to retract it or admit you were wrong.

So it's proven that not only are you flat out incapable of admitting you are wrong, but it's also proven that you do not abide by the rules of common courtesy and politeness that you so staunchly defend. And you do respond to my digs. Every time in fact.

[Phil Carter]

Ally,

Out of common courtesy, I will send you a pm as a public slanging match is not respectful to the other members of this site.
I regard such activities as ultimately pointless.

best wishes

Phil

[Ally]

Nah. Don't bother. You make a misstatement in public, you retract in public. That's how it works.