Did jack kill liz stride?

[c.d.]

Hello Michael,

I have no idea why he didn't appear at the inquest and so, unlike some people, I have never used that fact to support a pet theory.

I would be willing to speculate but my speculations are much more mundane and don't involve spying. It could have been because the police came to the conclusion that what he witnessed was simply a prostitute being hassled a bit and had nothing to do with the actual murder. Or an even better reason in line with Occam's razor is that given the fact that he was only on the scene a short time and couldn't tell what was going on because of the language barrier, it couldn't be confirmed just what he actually saw.

But since NOBODY ACTUALLY KNOWS, we are all free to speculate to our hearts content.

c.d.

[Hunter]

As to the differences in the way Inquests were handled maybe you should do some more investigation, because it would be highly irregular and perhaps unprecedented to not have a Star witnesses statement entered into evidence in some form, during a hearing of the investigation the statement relates to.

Are you familiar with the Coroner's Act?

So..chill. A retired London policeman and occasional poster here with decades of service and a particularly keen knowledge of these cases could not explain how Schwartz would be completely absent from the records if the belief was so strong in his statement.

And because of that, no one else can be properly read on the subject and utilize historical analysis to offer a probable explanation?

Its the way that you just brush aside the absence that confounds me,....when it clearly contradicts the support you so often quote.

Brush aside the absence? You obviously don't read RIP. So, I believe we're done here.

[lynn cates]

paper

Hello Mike. You might wish to have a go at Cris's paper. Helps to see another angle.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Dr. Phillips stated: "The body was lying on the near side, with the face turned toward the wall, the head up the yard and the feet toward the street. The left arm was extended and there was a packet of cachous in the left hand."

I am somewhat confused here. Is he saying that she was lying on her side or is he saying the body was lying in proximity to something else?

Also, if here killer were not Jack, why would he care or take the time to lay her body on its side?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

answer

Hello CD. She was found lying on her left side.

"if her killer were not Jack, why would he care or take the time to lay her body on its side?"

1. Why assume he laid her there rather than dropped her?

2. If it WERE Jack, then why were the others NOT on their left sides?

Cheers.
LC

[Sam Flynn]

"The body was lying on the near side, with the face turned toward the wall"... I am somewhat confused here. Is he saying that she was lying on her side or is he saying the body was lying in proximity to something else?

It seems to be a technical term to describe her relative position, CD. Relative to what I really don't know. Sgt Badham uses a similar expression in the McKenzie inquest: "I saw a woman lying on the pavement on the near side with her throat cut". Not sure what the nearside of a pavement is, but at least Badham gives us a reference point!

Perhaps others can enlighten us further.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Lynn

Happy New Year by the way

If it WERE Jack, then why were the others NOT on their left sides?

Possibly if he were interrupted he never had the chance to pose the body as he did the others?

All the best

Dave

[Sam Flynn]

Also, if here killer were not Jack, why would he care or take the time to lay her body on its side?

As to that, given that Stride may have bled to death comparatively slowly, is it possible that, with her last reserves of energy, she moved herself?

[c.d.]

Hello CD. She was found lying on her left side.

"if her killer were not Jack, why would he care or take the time to lay her body on its side?"

1. Why assume he laid her there rather than dropped her?

2. If it WERE Jack, then why were the others NOT on their left sides?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

What is the source for her lying on her left side?

If her body were simply dropped would she land on her side?

If it were Jack, we have no way of knowing what position the bodies were in before they were found as they were.

c.d.

[Michael W Richards]

As to that, given that Stride may have bled to death comparatively slowly, is it possible that, with her last reserves of energy, she moved herself?

If she did Sam it was roughly in the same position she was found in, she only had mud on her left side. Maybe squirming a bit, drawing her legs in.

cd, Blackwell himself suggested she was cut while she fell and then was dropped. Others have speculated that he cut her when she was on the ground, holding her head off the ground with her scarf I suppose.

As to reading the latest RIP article on Israel Lynn, I havent, but I presume it offers an explanation of the absence rather than proof of that contention? Individual Perspectives are always interesting, but it appears they hinder problem solving at times.

If there is indeed some newly found evidence, Id be happy to see that. My position is based upon the currently known, but new evidence can always change a persons views.

[lynn cates]

striking a pose

Hello Dave. Thanks. The same to you I'm sure.

"Possibly if he were interrupted he never had the chance to pose the body as he did the others?"

Very well. So, then, she was not posed. So not sure what that has to do with Jack?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

nyet

Hello Gareth.

"is it possible that, with her last reserves of energy, she moved herself?"

The medicos said not.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more.

Hello CD. Thanks.

"What is the source for her lying on her left side?"

Well, try Edward Johnston. ["Ultimate" p. 155]

"If her body were simply dropped would she land on her side?"

Well, it worked in my clinical trial. Perhaps you could give it a go with a willing friend--paper knife, of course?

"If it were Jack, we have no way of knowing what position the bodies were in before they were found as they were."

Precisely. So why bring in Jack?

But we DO know Liz was not bounced around since she held the cachous.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

explanatory value

Hello Mike. Thanks. Yes, it is of possible explanatory value.

And now that RIP costs nada . . .

Cheers.
LC

[Sam Flynn]

"is it possible that, with her last reserves of energy, she moved herself?"

The medicos said not.

I only meant slightly, Lynn. As Mike Richards put it "Maybe squirming a bit".