Piece of Apron and the 'Juwes'

[DVV]

Agreed all round! Obviously the double event shows something about the Jews from Jack's insanity (Berner Street club; Lipski!; GSG). And even if we dismiss Stride as his victim, the piece of apron and the graffito can hardly be a coincidence.

Amitiés,
DVV

[Graham]

Hi Caz

"But have you ever thought what would have happened if the apron piece had not been found at that time ‘purely by accident’? From Jack’s point of view, as he fled the murder scene, the cops would shortly be there, assessing what he had done this time, what clues he may have left behind, and also what he had taken away with him. He could have certainly expected them to initiate a search for Kate’s missing apron half at some point. Maybe he imagined them buzzing like flies around the entrance to the Model Dwellings after such a search had turned up his little deposit"

It's only my take on the finding of the piece of apron, Caz. Long could have missed it, and if so maybe at some later time the piece of apron could have been picked up, thrown away, whatever. I think it purely fortuitous that it was found (in the dark, don't forget) and purely fortuitous that it was thrown away just where it was. Actually looking for a piece of apron would have been akin to looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.

Cheers,

Graham

[Sam Flynn]

I think it purely fortuitous that it was found (in the dark, don't forget) and purely fortuitous that it was thrown away just where it was.

Precisely how I see it, Graham. If he'd wanted it to be found, he might at least have weighted it down with a stone.

[Graham]

Precisely how I see it, Graham. If he'd wanted it to be found, he might at least have weighted it down with a stone.

Exactly so, Sam.

Cheers,

Graham

[Fisherman]

"even if we dismiss Stride as his victim, the piece of apron and the graffito can hardly be a coincidence"

Could almost have guessed that was your post, DVV; you are moving at the same speed as when you tie the violent madman Fleming to Kellys death ...

Of course it could have been a coincidence. If he had thrown it in a fruiterers doorway, should that be seen as a hint that he came from the Big Apple? I side with Graham and Sam here, but I will not advice you to read anything more into finding us side by side than a mutual taste for healthy scepticism.

The best,

Fisherman

[Graham]

To whom it may concern:

You have just brutally murdered a woman. You get the hell away from the crime-scene as fast as your legs will carry you, for fear of being seen (possibly by three Jewish gentlemen who just emerged from a nearby club). You have a piece of the dead woman's apron, cut from the rest of that garment either accidentally or deliberately. Your hands are covered in blood and ****. You are probably heading for where you live. As you run, or walk very fast, you are wiping your soiled hands on the piece of cloth. When you think your hands are clean you dispose of the cloth. You just toss it to one side and it happens to land in the dark entrance to a block of flats. For all you know the police may be only a matter of yards behind you. So you stop to write a strange message on the wall where you discarded the dirty cloth? So why don't you sit down with pencil and paper and write your autobiography while you're there? Or hold a seminar?

No, sir. You toss the dirty cloth to one side when you're finished with it, you don't care where it lands, but you just keep on running (apologies to the Spencer Davis Group) until you get home and make yourself a nice cup of cocoa.

Cheers,

Graham

[Justin]

Thank you, Graham.

Things are chalked (really!) on walls in the East End to this day. If you scrawl something snarky about Muhammad outside Asda, it probably won't stay up long...but it's not to say some rubbish won't get chucked under it first...

[Observer]

Hi David

As to the "ever increasing ferocity" that you are pointing out, I'm not sure it has something to do with the newspapers.

Hi Cap’n Jack

I think the Whitechapel Murderer would have abhored the press reports of his activities, as they would have depersonalised his activities by making it appear that there was a 'maniac' at work in the East End of London

The laying out of the victims, skirts raised to reveal the mutilations, the arranging of Chapman’s belongings, the nicking of Eddowe’s eyelids, the thimble placed in mockery near her finger, Kelly’s hand thrust into her abdomen, a child playing a game in my eyes. I believe he revelled in the newspapers accounts of his deeds, I can see him standing waiting for the newspapers to hit the streets, a big game, albeit a deadly one.

All the best

Observer

[Graham]

Things are chalked (really!) on walls in the East End to this day. If you scrawl something snarky about Muhammad outside Asda, it probably won't stay up long...but it's not to say some rubbish won't get chucked under it first...

Thank you, too, Justin.

As Walter Dew said (and I'll be honest and say that he isn't the most reliable of contemporary witnesses), there were graffiti all over the East End similar to the GSG, i.e., with a reference to the Jews.

Oddly, I've never seen anything horrible about Mohammed scrawled on walls, but plenty of crap about Jesus...at least where I live. Maybe the average white teenage chav hasn't a clue about who Mohammed was...

Cheers,

Graham

[Justin]

ti all over the East End similar to the GSG, i.e., with a reference to the Jews.

Oddly, I've never seen anything horrible about Mohammed scrawled on walls, but plenty of crap about Jesus...at least where I live. Maybe the average white teenage chav hasn't a clue about who Mohammed was...

Neither have I, actually...and you're probably right, but I like to think it's a good sign! I've always secretly smiled at the proprietors of the Muslim bookshop on Brick Lane leaving the S CHAIKIN sign in their entryway.

That said, the London poet is not dead...recently seen on a tile at Monument tube station:

PEACHES
TAKE THY REACHES
FOR I CAN HOLD ON
NO MORE

Sounds like Maybrick to me, what do you think?

[paul emmett]

The laying out of the victims, skirts raised to reveal the mutilations, the arranging of Chapman’s belongings, the nicking of Eddowe’s eyelids, the thimble placed in mockery near her finger, Kelly’s hand thrust into her abdomen, a child playing a game in my eyes. I believe he revelled in the newspapers accounts of his deeds, I can see him standing waiting for the newspapers to hit the streets, a big game, albeit a deadly one.

Hello, Observer. I certianly agree: it's all a game. And JTR cares about the newspapers. Indeed, Dan's recent article shows how he incorporates reports about past killings into future killings. Papers and play!

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Paul and Observer

The "laying out" and "skirts raised" are almost certainly a result of what happened to the women, rather than any conscious effort on Jack's part - it would be more remarkable if he'd laid their arms at their sides, straightened their legs and pulled their skirts back down. Whether one interprets a stray thimble as being either deliberately placed or as mockery is rather subjective, and it may just have fallen there.

Meanwhile, back in apron-land...

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sam,

What apron?

Regards,

Simon

[Ben]

Hi Graham,

I'm with you all the way with regard to the killer's making for home as soon as possible via the most direct route, and it's not unreasonable to suggest that the message may not have been ripper-authored, but I don't think the cloth was removed to wipe up en route. His hands were never going to be clean. He could only get the worst of it off, and it would have taken as much time to do that as it would to remove the apron in the first place. As such, I consider it more likely that the segment was removed to contain the organs, but that's another done-to-death argument.

Best regards,
Ben

[Simon Wood]

Hi Ben,

What apron?

Regards,

Simon