Organ removal ? Warning Graphic Photos

[Trevor Marriott]

I was actually meaning a modern expert but I accept that I didn’t make myself very clear on that point. But it’s still valid to ask why Phillips over Brown?

Do I have to accept that the killer couldn’t have removed the body parts in 3 minutes? Why should I dispute this? Doctors are trained to remove body parts with care and an overriding thought for the patients well-being. It’s difficult to see how we can be too certain on the time taken by a maniac with a sharp knife and probable anatomical knowledge. A butcher could butcher a pig a lot faster than the most skilled of surgeons. I just don’t see how sweeping statements can be made on this issue.

So if you are to be believed we have to accept that the killer was the male seen with Eddowes at the entrance to Church passage at 1.35am now there is no evidence as to what time they left that location and walked down into Miter Square, that time could have been anytime betweem 1.35am and 1.40am. The later the time the less time the killer had with the victim.

The killer then having found the darkest part of the square procedes to murder and mutilate the victim rifling her pockets at the same time, He then decides to eviscerate the victim and purportedly has sufficient light and anatomical knowledge to put his hand into a blood filled abdomen without the use of retractors to hold the abdomen open and with anatomical knowledge, and a long bladed knife which would have been a hindrance to him, is able to locate a kidney which is probably the most difficult organ to locate in the body and remove it and the uterus, and then makes a hasty retreat when he sees and hear Pc Harvey coming down Church passage in his direction.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

In the part you quote the coroner makes no mention of organs he refers to wounds again we get back to mutilations

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And people wonder why I resort to sarcasm!

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“[Coroner] Would you consider that the person who inflicted the wounds possessed anatomical skill? - He must have had a good deal of knowledge as to the position of the abdominal organs, and the way to remove them.
[Coroner] Would the parts removed be of any use for professional purposes? - None whatever.
[Coroner]Would the removal of the kidney, for example, require special knowledge? - It would require a good deal of knowledge as to its position, because it is apt to be overlooked, being covered by a membrane.
[Coroner] Would such a knowledge be likely to be possessed by some one accustomed to cutting up animals? - Yes.
[Coroner] Have you been able to form any opinion as to whether the perpetrator of this act was disturbed? - I think he had sufficient time, but it was in all probability done in a hurry.
[Coroner] How long would it take to make the wounds? - It might be done in five minutes. It might take him longer; but that is the least time it could be done in.”

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[Trevor Marriott]

But Brown was clearly asked at the inquest how long it would have taken him after he’d just mentioned the missing parts.

“[Coroner] Would you consider that the person who inflicted the wounds possessed anatomical skill? - He must have had a good deal of knowledge as to the position of the abdominal organs, and the way to remove them.
[Coroner] Would the parts removed be of any use for professional purposes? - None whatever.
[Coroner]Would the removal of the kidney, for example, require special knowledge? - It would require a good deal of knowledge as to its position, because it is apt to be overlooked, being covered by a membrane.
[Coroner] Would such a knowledge be likely to be possessed by some one accustomed to cutting up animals? - Yes.
[Coroner] Have you been able to form any opinion as to whether the perpetrator of this act was disturbed? - I think he had sufficient time, but it was in all probability done in a hurry.
[Coroner] How long would it take to make the wounds? - It might be done in five minutes. It might take him longer; but that is the least time it could be done in.”

Unless you are suggesting that Brown mentioned the missing organs but then forgot about them seconds later when he was asked how long it would have taken the killer, and I assume that you aren’t, then I can’t see what you’re trying to claim.

In the part you quote the coroner makes no mention of organs he refers to wounds again we get back to mutilations

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[Herlock Sholmes]

You posted "Has there been any Doctor between then and now who have stated categorically that the killer couldn’t have removed those body parts in the time and conditions available to him?

I have answered using Dr Phillips because if you take Sequeira who states "3 mins" to murder mutilate and to remove those organs, you have to acknowledge no one not even a doctor in 1888 could remove a uterus and a kidney in 3 mins in the dark from a blood filled abdomen.

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I was actually meaning a modern expert but I accept that I didn’t make myself very clear on that point. But it’s still valid to ask why Phillips over Brown?

Do I have to accept that the killer couldn’t have removed the body parts in 3 minutes? Why should I dispute this? Doctors are trained to remove body parts with care and an overriding thought for the patients well-being. It’s difficult to see how we can be too certain on the time taken by a maniac with a sharp knife and probable anatomical knowledge. A butcher could butcher a pig a lot faster than the most skilled of surgeons. I just don’t see how sweeping statements can be made on this issue.

[Trevor Marriott]

You aren’t raining on my parade Trevor but I have to ask why you favour Phillips assessment of a different murder over Brown and Sequiera’s assessment of Eddowes (the one in question?)

You posted "Has there been any Doctor between then and now who have stated categorically that the killer couldn’t have removed those body parts in the time and conditions available to him?

I have answered using Dr Phillips because if you take Sequeira who states "3 mins" to murder mutilate and to remove those organs, you have to acknowledge no one not even a doctor in 1888 could remove a uterus and a kidney in 3 mins in the dark from a blood filled abdomen.

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