Organ removal ? Warning Graphic Photos

[milchmanuk]

for me a skilled man taking organs in the dark is something you could ponder a lifetime.
your pictures you use show how difficult it is.

[milchmanuk]

Hi George

There were two differnet police forces involved along with two different mortuaries, the method of extraction of the organs from both bodies was also differnet suggesting two differnet persons had removed the organs, and to answer your question I dont think that would have occurred, after all there was no detailed examination of the bodies at the crime scene, and it was only at the later post mortems that the organs were found to be missing, the misguided belief then was that the killer had removed them at the crime scene but the evidence from then and now tells us something different.

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i have read some of posts before.
it sounds like your saying that the organs were removed at the mortuary.
for resale ?
or practitioner at ? practice learning trade ?
teaching with dead corpse ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Quite probably Trevor, but after the questions raised by Baxter at the Chapman inquest, don't you think that there would have been a higher level of custody of Eddowes body?

Cheers, George

Hi George

There were two differnet police forces involved along with two different mortuaries, the method of extraction of the organs from both bodies was also differnet suggesting two differnet persons had removed the organs, and to answer your question I dont think that would have occurred, after all there was no detailed examination of the bodies at the crime scene, and it was only at the later post mortems that the organs were found to be missing, the misguided belief then was that the killer had removed them at the crime scene but the evidence from then and now tells us something different.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Abby Normal]

good lord

[GBinOz]

Nice to know you're keeping an eye on everyone Jeff.

Best regards, George

[Enigma]

Yes

Thought so.

[DJA]

Yes

[Enigma]

Meanwhile, back at Mitre Square, did or didn't Jack remove organs from Cathy Eddowes in the darkness using a knife perhaps with a Damascus steel blade, either long or short? Just asking.

[DJA]

Worth reading the whole entry ..... Damascus steel - Wikipedia

[JeffHamm]

Modern day experts can't produce Damascus steel or concrete that lasts 2000 years either, so what's your point?

From Wikipedia, the source of all truth and knowledge, in the entry on Damascus Steel this is disputed:

...
Loss of the technique

Many claim that modern attempts to duplicate the metal have not been entirely successful due to differences in raw materials and manufacturing techniques. However, several individuals in modern times have successfully produced pattern forming hypereutectoid crucible steel with visible carbide banding on the surface, consistent with original Damascus Steel.
...

The last bit, which is basically suggesting that it has been recreated, has 3 citations, namely:
Verhoeven, J.D.; Pendray, A.H.; Dauksch, W.E. (1998). "The key role of impurities in ancient damascus steel blades". Journal of Metallurgy. 50 (9): 58. Bibcode:1998JOM....50i..58V. doi:10.1007/s11837-998-0419-y. S2CID 135854276

Wadsworth, Jeffrey; Sherby, Oleg D. (1980). "On the Bulat – Damascus Steel Revisited". Prog. Mater. Sci. 25 (1): 35–68. doi:10.1016/0079-6425(80)90014-6

and

John Verhoeven: Mystery of Damascus Steel Swords Unveiled". Archived from the original on 11 August 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

But this is so far outside of anything I'm familiar with I have no way of critiquing any of them. Still, it appears the idea that the idea that the process of how to make Damascus steel is lost is disputed, which I think is pretty cool.

- Jeff

[GBinOz]

I thought that sarcasm was ‘not cricket’ George. Oh I forgot…..only when it comes from me

Doctors in 1888 could cut up a body. They couldn’t accurately predict TOD. 2 different skills George. Modern day experts can’t do it that accurately but obviously you believe that Phillips could. Up to you.

Modern day experts can't produce Damascus steel or concrete that lasts 2000 years either, so what's your point?

[GBinOz]

The victims were killed where they were found !

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Quite probably Trevor, but after the questions raised by Baxter at the Chapman inquest, don't you think that there would have been a higher level of custody of Eddowes body?

Cheers, George

[GBinOz]

i also like this theory of murder behind closed gates or doors ?
and then brought out after murder which gives killer private undisturbed pleasure .
which is what these murders are about to a killer.

Hi milchmanuk,

That is only half the theory. How did he get the body into the Square without leaving a trace?

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

Ooh, I know - because Victorian doctors were unreliable??

I thought that sarcasm was ‘not cricket’ George. Oh I forgot…..only when it comes from me

Doctors in 1888 could cut up a body. They couldn’t accurately predict TOD. 2 different skills George. Modern day experts can’t do it that accurately but obviously you believe that Phillips could. Up to you.

[Trevor Marriott]

i also like this theory of murder behind closed gates or doors ?
and then brought out after murder which gives killer private undisturbed pleasure .
which is what these murders are about to a killer.

The victims were killed where they were found !

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk