The Goulston Street Apron

[IchabodCrane]

If Jewish people were a small minority, I would agree. But I think they were around 40% of the Whitechapel/Spitalfield population.

The connection of the murder locations Buck's Row, Hanbury Street and Dorset Street to the Jewish community is not as obvious as that of the locations of the double event, and of Goulston street where the apron was dropped. To my mind, one of the few things that can be stated about the Ripper with a certainty of over 85% is therefore: the intention of killer on the night of the double event was to direct suspicion towards the Jewish community, he wrote the Goulston graffito, and from this follows that he was not completely illiterate and that he was himself a gentile. The other almost certain assumption being that he was male.

[All4One]

I'm not sure that one can establish a link between the Ripper and Judaism based on the proximity of some murder scenes to Jewish cemeteries.

The Nichols, Stride and Eddowes killings all occured remarkably close to schools. You might as well conclude that the killer was a teacher.

[curious4]

I feel it is pretty much of a coincidence also that the first murder that night happened in the yard of the Jewish Working Man's Educational Club and the second adjacent to the Great Synagogue....

International working men's educational club, Ichabod. Open to all. Admittedly most of the working men in the area were jewish, but it was a socialist club. I imagine the killer was inspired by the Leather Apron debacle and by placing the piece of apron where he did, and with the graffito, tried to make everyone, including the police, believe that the jews were to blame, even if Leather Apron wasn't. Even if the attempt was a bit obvious.

Best wishes
C4

[Abby Normal]

I'm not sure that one can establish a link between the Ripper and Judaism based on the proximity of some murder scenes to Jewish cemeteries.

The Nichols, Stride and Eddowes killings all occured remarkably close to schools. You might as well conclude that the killer was a teacher.

hi All4one
welcome. I agree.

There are only 3 direct links (evidence) between the ripper case and Judaism. The GSG, the shouting of "lipski" and Hutch's description of his suspect as Jewish.

One can draw there own conclusion if these three bits of evidence are related TO EACH OTHER. personally, I think that there is a good chance they are.

[Michael W Richards]

I'm not sure that one can establish a link between the Ripper and Judaism based on the proximity of some murder scenes to Jewish cemeteries.

The Nichols, Stride and Eddowes killings all occured remarkably close to schools. You might as well conclude that the killer was a teacher.

Not that this has anything to do with any Ripper, but there is a definitive connection of Liz Strides killer to Judaism..having committed murder on a piece of private property owned, operated and populated that night with Immigrant Jews. Its one reason why I personally feel the grafitto was left by someone aware of the Berner Street murder and the circumstances...perhaps even that the club jews were going into the street that night shouting that "another" murder had been committed, alluding obviously to the prior unsolved "string" of such throat slitting murders. Which, at least during September, were thought by the authorities to have been committed by an insane immigrant Jew, according to Anderson.

Interesting that this was all readily available news when Israel, alledgedly an unbiased passer-by...(who it appears knew Woolf Wess of the Arbeter Fraint based in the yard office at 40 Berner), suggests a scenario that an aggressive off-property gentile is at the centre of... with the soon to be deceased.

I think the person that wrote the grafitto thought that the Jews would strive to be seen as blameless in the death of Liz Stride, a thought perhaps later validated by a Jewish witness with a murderous, off site, gentile story.

I think the apron section is support for that grafitto author, and it was intended to direct suspicion back on the Jews...by virtue of the location it is placed at, perhaps as much as an hour after Kate Eddowes murder.

[IchabodCrane]

I'm not sure that one can establish a link between the Ripper and Judaism based on the proximity of some murder scenes to Jewish cemeteries.

The Nichols, Stride and Eddowes killings all occured remarkably close to schools. You might as well conclude that the killer was a teacher.

Fair enough. Only that the piece of bloodied apron was not found under a graffito reading 'The schoolteachers are the men who will not be blamed for nothing'...

[packers stem]

Fair enough. Only that the piece of bloodied apron was not found under a graffito reading 'The schoolteachers are the men who will not be blamed for nothing'...

...but it was written in chalk...

[DJA]

.....the night before the start of term,in a neat schoolboy hand.

[IchabodCrane]

School + School + Juwes(GSG) written in chalk in a nice schoolboy hand = , the hint is too subtle for a guy who had the appearance of a sailor
(Jewish) Club + Synagogue + Juwes(GSG) = Successfully directed suspicion towards the Jews!

[Abby Normal]

hi All4one
welcome. I agree.

There are only 3 direct links (evidence) between the ripper case and Judaism. The GSG, the shouting of "lipski" and Hutch's description of his suspect as Jewish.

One can draw there own conclusion if these three bits of evidence are related TO EACH OTHER. personally, I think that there is a good chance they are.

Nobody wants to know how they might all be related??

Chicken dinner for the first one who gets it.

[John G]

Nobody wants to know how they might all be related??

Chicken dinner for the first one who gets it.

Here's my guess: they're all unreliable pieces of evidence that should probably be discounted!

[Abby Normal]

Here's my guess: they're all unreliable pieces of evidence that should probably be discounted!

Nope! Try again

[Ben]

Ooh, I know! Pick me! Over here!...

(Actually, that would be cheating!)

[Abby Normal]

Ooh, I know! Pick me! Over here!...

(Actually, that would be cheating!)

Now, now Ben. Let some of the others students get a chance to answer. : )

[packers stem]

Here's my guess: they're all unreliable pieces of evidence that should probably be discounted!

I agree with John on this one.
No evidence GSG contains misspelt words
Lipski was shouted at a jew or in relation to a jew in the vicinity
And Hutch..... Well least said the better