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  • curious4
    Chief Inspector
    • Mar 2010
    • 1749

    #511
    Wet

    Hello,

    I think wet with blood was the expression, otherwise it would have been "a wet rag with blood on it". "The corner was wet with blood" is pretty explicit.

    Cheers,
    C4
    Last edited by curious4; 04-12-2013, 02:35 PM.

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    • curious4
      Chief Inspector
      • Mar 2010
      • 1749

      #512
      Faeces

      Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
      The fecal matter was from the section of Kates colon that was cut off then left between her left arm and body...in some reports one end was twisted into the wounds in her neck. The fact that its on the apron section means that the section was used to clean it from his hands and perhaps knife, or that it was transferred from something carried in the cloth that came from Kate.

      I believe the second answer is probable, thats why I dont believe the killer would walk around with his makeshift parcel.

      Best regards
      Hello Michael,

      I don't think we can automatically assume that the, er, substance came from the cut intestine. Kate may well have lost control of her bowels when dying - not the sort of thing which would be reported in the newspapers.

      Cheers,
      C4

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      • Errata
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Sep 2010
        • 3060

        #513
        Originally posted by curious4 View Post
        Hello Michael,

        I don't think we can automatically assume that the, er, substance came from the cut intestine. Kate may well have lost control of her bowels when dying - not the sort of thing which would be reported in the newspapers.

        Cheers,
        C4
        True, but it would not have gotten on the apron.Her skirts were shoved up the her waist in front. And the apron was evidently muddled up in the skirts, keeping it relatively free of blood. I imagine at least the bottom two layers of skirt would have been soiled by that, but not the apron.
        The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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        • curious4
          Chief Inspector
          • Mar 2010
          • 1749

          #514
          No drawers

          Hello Errata,

          Kate was wearing no drawers. While pulling the apron up to cut it in half, it could have been soiled - perhaps. There was evidently only a trace on the apron.

          Cheers,
          C4

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          • Errata
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Sep 2010
            • 3060

            #515
            Originally posted by curious4 View Post
            Hello Errata,

            Kate was wearing no drawers. While pulling the apron up to cut it in half, it could have been soiled - perhaps. There was evidently only a trace on the apron.

            Cheers,
            C4
            Yes but surely she only soiled herself in the rear, where the apron was not.
            The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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            • curious4
              Chief Inspector
              • Mar 2010
              • 1749

              #516
              Crap theory

              Hello Errata,

              I suppose it would depend on the, er, consistency. I just wanted to point out that there is another way in which the apron could have become soiled.
              Best wishes,
              C4

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              • RivkahChaya
                Inspector
                • Aug 2012
                • 1382

                #517
                Originally posted by Damaso Marte View Post
                And where did he leave his feces?
                "PC! Some dog has crapped in our crime scene! Remove that immediately! That's disgusting! Now, back to looking for clues...."

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                • Wickerman
                  Commissioner
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 14900

                  #518
                  Originally posted by RivkahChaya View Post
                  "PC! Some dog has crapped in our crime scene! Remove that immediately! That's disgusting! Now, back to looking for clues...."
                  So now we're looking for Jack Russell, the Terrier of Mitre Square?

                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • curious4
                    Chief Inspector
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 1749

                    #519
                    Dogs

                    Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                    So now we're looking for Jack Russell, the Terrier of Mitre Square?

                    They certainly made a real dog's dinner of catching Jack.

                    C4

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                    • moonbegger
                      Sergeant
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 991

                      #520
                      So now we're looking for Jack Russell, the Terrier of Mitre Square?
                      Ah .. Jack the Nipper .

                      moonbegger

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                      • RivkahChaya
                        Inspector
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 1382

                        #521
                        I thought it was Jerry the Nipper, and Asta the Fox Terrier.

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                        • curious4
                          Chief Inspector
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1749

                          #522
                          Suspects

                          They should have stopped searching for a Polish shoemaker and looked for a german shepherd instead.

                          C4

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                          • RivkahChaya
                            Inspector
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1382

                            #523
                            Great Dane?

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                            • curious4
                              Chief Inspector
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1749

                              #524
                              Dane?

                              No, that was Tower Hamlets.

                              C4

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                              • RivkahChaya
                                Inspector
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 1382

                                #525
                                I once had a pop-quiz (unannounced quiz) in an English class where the question was something like
                                What was Beowulf?

                                A) a German Shepherd
                                B) a great Dane
                                C) a Canadian Eskimo
                                D) a Mountain Cur
                                Despite the hint, and the fact that you'd kind of expect anyone going to college already to know this, there were, I'm sure, a couple of people who had been blowing off the readings, and got it wrong.

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