Eddowes Pawn Ticket/Finances (moved from another thread)

[curious]

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Oh, I was merely wondering aloud. About what? The name on the pawn ticket. What if this other Kelly were involved with the WCM?

Cheers.
LC

tantalizing indeed. Far too many Kellys or would-be Kellys.

Don't you think that would be next to impossible to prove?

[Bridewell]

If I can be forgiven a momentary distraction, I've noted that, on the Casebook history, Eddowes' older son is named George but, in what I think is the correct entry for the 1871 census, it's Thomas.

[Sally]

Only thing that comes to mind is that she was so accustomed to not using her real name, it was habit and second nature to use an alias.

She consistently referred to herself as 'Kate Conway' on the several occasions that she was admitted to the infirmary - so possibly.

[lynn cates]

Kelly girl

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Oh, I was merely wondering aloud. About what? The name on the pawn ticket. What if this other Kelly were involved with the WCM?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Hello Jon. Thanks. But what if it turns out to be QUITE pertinent?

Cheers.
LC

Lynn,

Your specialist subject: the tantalising post! Please explain?

[lynn cates]

pertinent

Hello Jon. Thanks. But what if it turns out to be QUITE pertinent?

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hi Colin

Freddie Wilkinson of Cooney`s said he`d know them as man and wife for the last seven years.

Done some more digging and the Mary Ann Kelly of 14 Flower and Dean St actually states on admittance to the Infirmary in February 1888 that she is the widow of John Kelly. So it`s probably (surprise surpirise I hear you all say ;-0) not our John Kelly.

Sorry, I can now see Lynn has answered about Wilkinson.

perhaps I should have read the entire thread before replying .. .

[curious]

Hi Lynn

Good point. Maybe Victorian respectability.

But, John Kelly states he is single on his admittance into the Infirmary later that year.

read rest of thread -- pointless post.

[curious]

Hello Velma.

"Only now we have to wonder: what in the world was the point of pawning something in a different name?

What possible benefit could that be?"

Exactly.

Cheers.
LC

Only thing that comes to mind is that she was so accustomed to not using her real name, it was habit and second nature to use an alias.

[curious]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

That is VERY interesting--but also odd. Why would John be listed after 7 or so years separation?

Good idea. May give that a go.

Cheers.
LC

ooops, should have read entire thread before posting. . . . oh well.

[Jon Guy]

Sorry Lynn, I`ve clouded the issue.

The Mary Ann Kelly who was the widow of a John Kelly is not anything to do with our John Kelly. She lists herself as a widow in another entry in the Infirmary records. There is a John Kelly who died about 1880 in Whitechapel who could be her husband.

I need to see where I got the seed of an idea that Kelly`s wife was called Mary Ann.

[lynn cates]

Is confusing.

Hello Jon. Interesting find. But now I'm more confused than ever.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Colin

Freddie Wilkinson of Cooney`s said he`d know them as man and wife for the last seven years.

Done some more digging and the Mary Ann Kelly of 14 Flower and Dean St actually states on admittance to the Infirmary in February 1888 that she is the widow of John Kelly. So it`s probably (surprise surpirise I hear you all say ;-0) not our John Kelly.

Sorry, I can now see Lynn has answered about Wilkinson.

[lynn cates]

alias

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Alternatively, the Mary Ann Kelly who was living at Flower & Dean Street may have been Eddowes herself, given that she used that name on the night of her death."

Could be. So it would be a persistent alias.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Fred

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Is John Kelly's claim that he had been living with Kate Eddowes for some time corroborated by anyone - or do we just have his word for it?"

How about Fred Wilkinson?

Cheers.
LC