Eddowes Pawn Ticket/Finances (moved from another thread)

[lynn cates]

Kelly girl

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Oh, I was merely wondering aloud. About what? The name on the pawn ticket. What if this other Kelly were involved with the WCM?

Cheers.
LC

[Sally]

Only thing that comes to mind is that she was so accustomed to not using her real name, it was habit and second nature to use an alias.

She consistently referred to herself as 'Kate Conway' on the several occasions that she was admitted to the infirmary - so possibly.

[Bridewell]

If I can be forgiven a momentary distraction, I've noted that, on the Casebook history, Eddowes' older son is named George but, in what I think is the correct entry for the 1871 census, it's Thomas.

[curious]

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Oh, I was merely wondering aloud. About what? The name on the pawn ticket. What if this other Kelly were involved with the WCM?

Cheers.
LC

tantalizing indeed. Far too many Kellys or would-be Kellys.

Don't you think that would be next to impossible to prove?

[curious]

Hi Lynn

Good point. Maybe Victorian respectability.

But, John Kelly states he is single on his admittance into the Infirmary later that year.

Do we have any record of Kelly ever going by a different name?

After Eddowes was killed, did John have boots, or was there any mention of him showing up barefoot?

[lynn cates]

switch

Hello Velma. Thanks. Yes, quite difficult. But she often used Conway, as Sally points out, and now the switch to Anne Kelly. What does it mean?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

barefoot and . . .

Hello (again) Velma. John claimed he was barefoot after the pawning. Of course, he worked some on Saturday morning, so must have been shod by then?

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

Hello (again) Velma. John claimed he was barefoot after the pawning. Of course, he worked some on Saturday morning, so must have been shod by then?

Cheers.
LC

I take it "claimed" is the important word here.

Is there a record of him appearing anywhere barefoot?

And how could he have been shod on Saturday morning if:

1. she pawned his boots Friday night?
OR
2. she pawned his boots Saturday morning?

Either he had more than one pair of boots or . ..

maybe she pawned stolen boots . . . .

or perhaps she didn't pawn any boots at all.

[Bridewell]

Hello (again) Velma. John claimed he was barefoot after the pawning. Of course, he worked some on Saturday morning, so must have been shod by then?

Cheers.
LC

One (unintended?) side-effect of pawning your boyfriend's boots would be that he would be seriously restricted in his movements until he got hold of another pair.

[Cogidubnus]

Nothing to say he couldn't have pawned a nice new set of boots, and the deal he got was five bob and an ancient pair in return...

Just a thought

Dave

[curious]

Nothing to say he couldn't have pawned a nice new set of boots, and the deal he got was five bob and an ancient pair in return...

Just a thought

Dave

good, hadn't thought of that possibility

[curious]

Hello Velma. Thanks. Yes, quite difficult. But she often used Conway, as Sally points out, and now the switch to Anne Kelly. What does it mean?

Cheers.
LC

Actually, it was apparently Jane Kelly with the pawn broker and Mary Anne Kelly at the jail.

No idea what it means.

What do you think it means?

[lynn cates]

no clue

Hello Velma. Thanks. "The Times" has Anne Kelly.

No idea what it means. Open to suggestion.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

possibilities

Hello Velma. Thanks. Oops, missed your earlier post.

Those are ALL possibilities.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

new?

Hello Colin. Thanks. Yes, that is correct. Of course, they were not so new if they both walked from Hunton.

Cheers.
LC