Eddowes Pawn Ticket/Finances (moved from another thread)

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Good point. Maybe Victorian respectability.

But, John Kelly states he is single on his admittance into the Infirmary later that year.

[lynn cates]

hmm

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Precisely. Very odd.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

John Kelly

Hello Jon. Thanks.

That is VERY interesting--but also odd. Why would John be listed after 7 or so years separation?

Good idea. May give that a go.

Cheers.
LC

Is John Kelly's claim that he had been living with Kate Eddowes for some time corroborated by anyone - or do we just have his word for it?

[Bridewell]

Alternatively, the Mary Ann Kelly who was living at Flower & Dean Street may have been Eddowes herself, given that she used that name on the night of her death.

[lynn cates]

Fred

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Is John Kelly's claim that he had been living with Kate Eddowes for some time corroborated by anyone - or do we just have his word for it?"

How about Fred Wilkinson?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

alias

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Alternatively, the Mary Ann Kelly who was living at Flower & Dean Street may have been Eddowes herself, given that she used that name on the night of her death."

Could be. So it would be a persistent alias.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Colin

Freddie Wilkinson of Cooney`s said he`d know them as man and wife for the last seven years.

Done some more digging and the Mary Ann Kelly of 14 Flower and Dean St actually states on admittance to the Infirmary in February 1888 that she is the widow of John Kelly. So it`s probably (surprise surpirise I hear you all say ;-0) not our John Kelly.

Sorry, I can now see Lynn has answered about Wilkinson.

[lynn cates]

Is confusing.

Hello Jon. Interesting find. But now I'm more confused than ever.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Sorry Lynn, I`ve clouded the issue.

The Mary Ann Kelly who was the widow of a John Kelly is not anything to do with our John Kelly. She lists herself as a widow in another entry in the Infirmary records. There is a John Kelly who died about 1880 in Whitechapel who could be her husband.

I need to see where I got the seed of an idea that Kelly`s wife was called Mary Ann.

[curious]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

That is VERY interesting--but also odd. Why would John be listed after 7 or so years separation?

Good idea. May give that a go.

Cheers.
LC

ooops, should have read entire thread before posting. . . . oh well.

[curious]

Hello Velma.

"Only now we have to wonder: what in the world was the point of pawning something in a different name?

What possible benefit could that be?"

Exactly.

Cheers.
LC

Only thing that comes to mind is that she was so accustomed to not using her real name, it was habit and second nature to use an alias.

[curious]

Hi Lynn

Good point. Maybe Victorian respectability.

But, John Kelly states he is single on his admittance into the Infirmary later that year.

read rest of thread -- pointless post.

[curious]

Hi Colin

Freddie Wilkinson of Cooney`s said he`d know them as man and wife for the last seven years.

Done some more digging and the Mary Ann Kelly of 14 Flower and Dean St actually states on admittance to the Infirmary in February 1888 that she is the widow of John Kelly. So it`s probably (surprise surpirise I hear you all say ;-0) not our John Kelly.

Sorry, I can now see Lynn has answered about Wilkinson.

perhaps I should have read the entire thread before replying .. .

[lynn cates]

pertinent

Hello Jon. Thanks. But what if it turns out to be QUITE pertinent?

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Hello Jon. Thanks. But what if it turns out to be QUITE pertinent?

Cheers.
LC

Lynn,

Your specialist subject: the tantalising post! Please explain?